Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell (fwd)
Hello,
Am Freitag, 30. August 2013, 16:47:35 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Benjamin Eikel wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 20. August 2013, 14:18:49 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> >> Hi Charles,
> >>
> >> I'm forwarding information from Dr. Wickham about the data file in the
> >> munsell package as requested by you. See your email at the bottom, Let
> >> me know what followup you want, if any. I think contacting the authors
> >> of a 1943 paper is unlikely to be successful. We could contact the
> >> people who put this data online (presumably people at RIT) to ask them
> >> what they think. There is a feedback page at
> >> http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/contact.
> >
> > did anybody contact the people there? If not, I can do it and ask about
> > the usage/license of the data.
>
> I haven't contacted them. Feel free to do so.
I used the contact form to ask for the data's license. I will report back when
I got an answer.
Kind regards
Benjamin
>
> Regards, Faheem
>
> > Kind regards
> > Benjamin
> >
> >> Regards, Faheem
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:29:44 -0700
> >> From: Charlotte Wickham <cwickham@gmail.com>
> >> To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> >> Subject: Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell
> >>
> >> I obtained real.dat from http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/online/munsell.php
> >> which is a digitization of Table 1 in: S. M. NEWHALL, D. NICKERSON, and
> >> D. B. JUDD. Final report of the o.s.a. subcommittee on the spacing of the
> >> munsell colors. J. Opt. Soc. Am., 33(7):385–411, 07 1943.
> >>
> >> It shouldn't be copyrighted for two reasons: (1) it's data, (2) it's
> >> produced by employees of the federal govt, but I don't have any proof of
> >> that.
> >>
> >> I'm updating my package documentation to improve the description of the
> >> source data.
> >>
> >> Charlotte
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've been (sort of) deputized by the Debian Med team, who are
> >> trying
> >>
> >> to get munsell into Debian as r-cran-munsell. But they have hit a bit of
> >> a
> >> hitch. The FTPmasters, who are Debian's gatekeepers, are wondering about
> >> the data files in munsell.
> >>
> >> You ship the file R/sysdata.rda which can be created from the text
> >>
> >> file inst/raw/real.dat using inst/raw/getmunsellmap.R.
> >>
> >> So, Debian wants to know where this data table inst/raw/real.dat
> >>
> >> comes from, how it was created, and what the preferred way to modify it
> >> is.
> >>
> >> There are a couple of issues here. First, I think it is simply a
> >>
> >> question of what the license for inst/raw/real.dat is. Secondly, Debian
> >> policy says that source files should be shipped in the preferred form for
> >> modification.
> >>
> >> But if necessary Charles or one of the other Debian Med people can
> >>
> >> clarify.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> ,
> >>
> >> Faheem
> >>
> >> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >>> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 08:28:35 +0900
> >>> From: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
> >>> To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> >>> Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-med@lists.debian.org
> >>> Subject: Re: best policies for third party Debian packaging and
> >>> get-orig-source target>
> >>>
> >>> Le Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 03:00:25AM +0530, Faheem Mitha a écrit :
> >>>> r-cran-scales is now in Debian, but r-cran-ggplot2 has not yet been
> >>>> updated. I see that r-cran-scales is not installable, because it
> >>>> depends on r-cran-munsell, which is not in Debian, at least not
> >>>> currently on my mirror for amd64.
> >>>
> >>> Hi Faheem,
> >>>
> >>> r-cran-munsell was submitted to the Debian archive and is currently
> >>> under
> >>> review.
> >>>
> >>> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/r-cran-munsell_0.4-1.html
> >>>
> >>> However, it contains a binary file, 'sysdata.rda', that is data table in
> >>> a
> >>> compressed format. The question is whether it is generated and
> >>> refreshed
> >>> by the upstream author using a source file that is not distributed in
> >>> the
> >>> source package. Such a work would not be Free according to our
> >>> principles.>
> >>>
> >>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-med-packaging/2013-A
> >>> ug
> >>> ust/021177.html>
> >>>
> >>> In the newer upstream version 0.4.2, there is a script to generate
> >>> sysdata.rda from another file, real.dat, in text format. There is no
> >>> information on where this table comes from, how was it created, and what
> >>> is the preferred way to modify it.
> >>>
> >>> If you had time to contact the upstream authors and get this point
> >>> clarified, that would be a tremendous help. In the meantime, it may be
> >>> difficult to update r-cran-ggplot2. I have asked for a temporary
> >>> exemption, but I did not receive an answer yet.
> >>>
> >>> http://lists.debian.org/20130807233230.GA12437@falafel.plessy.net
> >>>
> >>> Have a nice day,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PS: I had a quick look at corrmodel (but did not have time to test it),
> >>> and did not find obvious problems. For the package containing the R
> >>> scripts, it may not be necessary to name it according to the convention
> >>> for packaged R modules, since it is not a R module. By the way, is it a
> >>> software to study clonotypes ? I have a (much simpler) work on line at
> >>> http://clonotyper.branchable.com/
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
>
> Under the two moons of Hydrot, and under the eternal stars, the
> two-inch wooden spaceship and its microscopic cargo toiled down the
> slope toward the drying little rivulet.
> --
> James Blish - Surface Tension
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