Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell (fwd)
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 20. August 2013, 14:18:49 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> Hi Charles,
>
> I'm forwarding information from Dr. Wickham about the data file in the
> munsell package as requested by you. See your email at the bottom, Let me
> know what followup you want, if any. I think contacting the authors of a
> 1943 paper is unlikely to be successful. We could contact the people who
> put this data online (presumably people at RIT) to ask them what they
> think. There is a feedback page at http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/contact.
at least, the article can be found online here:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1364/JOSA.33.000385
The question is who owns the copyright for the published article? In my
opinion, it is the best to follow Faheem's suggestion to contact the authors
of the online data and to ask them under which license this data can be used.
Kind regards
Benjamin
>
> Regards, Faheem
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:29:44 -0700
> From: Charlotte Wickham <cwickham@gmail.com>
> To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> Subject: Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell
>
> I obtained real.dat from http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/online/munsell.php
> which is a digitization of Table 1 in: S. M. NEWHALL, D. NICKERSON, and
> D. B. JUDD. Final report of the o.s.a. subcommittee on the spacing of the
> munsell colors. J. Opt. Soc. Am., 33(7):385–411, 07 1943.
>
> It shouldn't be copyrighted for two reasons: (1) it's data, (2) it's
> produced by employees of the federal govt, but I don't have any proof of
> that.
>
> I'm updating my package documentation to improve the description of the
> source data.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been (sort of) deputized by the Debian Med team, who are trying
> to get munsell into Debian as r-cran-munsell. But they have hit a bit of a
> hitch. The FTPmasters, who are Debian's gatekeepers, are wondering about
> the data files in munsell.
>
> You ship the file R/sysdata.rda which can be created from the text
> file inst/raw/real.dat using inst/raw/getmunsellmap.R.
>
> So, Debian wants to know where this data table inst/raw/real.dat
> comes from, how it was created, and what the preferred way to modify it is.
>
> There are a couple of issues here. First, I think it is simply a
> question of what the license for inst/raw/real.dat is. Secondly, Debian
> policy says that source files should be shipped in the preferred form for
> modification.
>
> But if necessary Charles or one of the other Debian Med people can
> clarify.
>
> Regards,
> Faheem
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 08:28:35 +0900
> > From: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
> > To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> > Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-med@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: best policies for third party Debian packaging and
> > get-orig-source target>
> > Le Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 03:00:25AM +0530, Faheem Mitha a écrit :
> > > r-cran-scales is now in Debian, but r-cran-ggplot2 has not yet been
> > > updated. I see that r-cran-scales is not installable, because it
> > > depends on r-cran-munsell, which is not in Debian, at least not
> > > currently on my mirror for amd64.
> >
> > Hi Faheem,
> >
> > r-cran-munsell was submitted to the Debian archive and is currently under
> > review.
> >
> > http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/r-cran-munsell_0.4-1.html
> >
> > However, it contains a binary file, 'sysdata.rda', that is data table in a
> > compressed format. The question is whether it is generated and refreshed
> > by the upstream author using a source file that is not distributed in the
> > source package. Such a work would not be Free according to our
> > principles.>
> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-med-packaging/2013-Aug
> > ust/021177.html>
> > In the newer upstream version 0.4.2, there is a script to generate
> > sysdata.rda from another file, real.dat, in text format. There is no
> > information on where this table comes from, how was it created, and what
> > is the preferred way to modify it.
> >
> > If you had time to contact the upstream authors and get this point
> > clarified, that would be a tremendous help. In the meantime, it may be
> > difficult to update r-cran-ggplot2. I have asked for a temporary
> > exemption, but I did not receive an answer yet.
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/20130807233230.GA12437@falafel.plessy.net
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> >
> > PS: I had a quick look at corrmodel (but did not have time to test it),
> > and did not find obvious problems. For the package containing the R
> > scripts, it may not be necessary to name it according to the convention
> > for packaged R modules, since it is not a R module. By the way, is it a
> > software to study clonotypes ? I have a (much simpler) work on line at
> > http://clonotyper.branchable.com/
> >
> > Cheers,
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