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Re: Replacing live-wrapper for live images by live-build?



On 4/20/21 1:17 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
live-build and its development community is in a relatively good shape but
we are lacking volunteers to care about the generation of release ISO for
the end users because all the current developers are using the tool for
their own need.

100% agree on this assessment. The work by the live-build devs over the last year or so (particularly by Roland, Raphaël, Luca and Lyndon) have been invaluable, and is the entire reason the Finnix project is still around (I was literally within a day of announcing the end of Finnix about a year ago, before I looked at live-build and went "I can work with this").

That being said, it's a tool which can be used to produce live media. It's so open-ended that there's an entire repository which is used to assemble the invocation of `lb` and configuration to build Finnix, and it currently has, umm, 23 additional Finnix-specific hooks[0].

This is not a problem with live-build -- the fact that live-build allows me to make produced images look and function exactly how I'd like is why I'm using it, as Raphaël points out, for my own need.

That kind of position with responsibilities requires some amount of trust
so it's not clear to me what are the requirements for the person that
would be volunteering (that is if she isn't a Debian developer already).

Yeah, the tool is in a decent place (minus the areas Roland pointed out), but needs one or more people with the organizational drive to use this tool (or another tool, for argument's sake) to manage the final output of Debian live media, and that seems to be what's been lacking over the years.

(Sadly, that person is not me, but if we get such a person, I'd be willing to help with an official Debian utility image. This was actually one of the exit strategies I was considering last year w/r/t Finnix, before reading up and discovering this is a recurring discussion, e.g. this post by Steve McIntyre in 2018[1]. But even though Finnix is now live-build-based, I have no problem with also having a similar official Debian flavor.)

But maybe a call on d-d-a would be in order ?


[0] https://github.com/finnix/finnix-live-build
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2018/11/msg00026.html

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