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Re: licensing of XMPP specifications

Ben Finney wrote:
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> writes:

After some discussion and wordsmithing, we have consensus on the
following wording (for which the "permissions" section is
essentially a modified MIT license):

This raises the question, then, why the exact MIT/X11 license terms
were not used?

That was discussed in the previous thread.


Legal Notices


This XMPP Extension Protocol is copyright (c) 1999 - 2008 by the XMPP
Standards Foundation (XSF).


Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this specification (the "Specification"), to make use of the
Specification without restriction, including without limitation the
rights to implement the Specification in a software program, deploy
the Specification in a network service, and copy, modify, merge,
publish, translate, distribute, sublicense, or sell copies of the
Specification, and to permit persons to whom the Specification is
furnished to do so, subject to the condition that the foregoing
copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Specification. Unless separate
permission is granted, modified works that are redistributed shall not
contain misleading information regarding the authors, title, number,
or publisher of the Specification, and shall not claim endorsement of
the modified works by the authors, any organization or project to
which the authors belong, or the XMPP Standards Foundation.

I can't see a substantial difference in effect, yet the terms are
different to the MIT/X11 license and thus contribute to license
proliferation, which is bad.

Better would be simply to copy the MIT/X11 permission text directly,
so that countless people could save effort in determining that the
license terms are identical. As it stands, they are not identical and
must be scanned manually and understood separately.

Please see the previous thread.

IPR Conformance

This XMPP Extension Protocol has been contributed in full conformance
with the XSF's Intellectual Property Rights Policy (a copy of which
may be found at <http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ipr-policy.shtml> or
obtained by writing to XSF, P.O. Box 1641, Denver, CO 80201 USA).

Uses the overly vague term "intellectual property rights"
and sadly contributes to its unwarranted appearance of legitimacy

I agree that the term is vague (in fact I don't agree with the premises behind the term), however that is the term used in common parlance and I cannot impose my viewpoint on the organization.

Fortunately seems to have no effect on the freeness of works to which
the license is applied. I'd be happier if this section was not here at

Since it has no effect on the freeness, we will leave it in because it is there for organizational reasons.


This Specification is provided "as is", without warranty of any kind,
express or implied, [...]

Thank you, authors if this document, for writing a "Warranty" section
that isn't needlessly in SHOUTY CAPITALS.

Yes I hate those too.


Peter Saint-Andre

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