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Re: a right to privacy is not in the DFSG, therfore you don't have one

Glenn Maynard wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:50:42PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:

[ I do love the way you just snipped the rhetoric I was following up
  to... ]

>> *yawn* That's a nice line in rhetoric you have there. The DFSG is the
>> standard that DDs have agreed should be the basis for deciding on the
>> Freeness of Software. If you want to extend it, you know what to
>So you're saying that the DFSG doesn't allow Debian to consider "capture
>a bear to modify or redistribute this work" non-free, since it's not
>explicitly said in the DFSG, and that anyone who wants to "keep that
>software out" is free to "extend the DFSG"?  (If that's not what you're
>saying, please clarify your position.)  It's pretty clear to me that
>the DFSG already disallows this, and needs no "extending" to handle

OK, you can pick a deilberately ridiculous example. Well done. The
right to privacy and various other points that have been discussed
here lately are less obvious (to many people) requirements for
freeness. Hence my arguments several months ago against the
non-codified dissident and desert island tests. The DFSG is the
standard that all DDs have agreed should be used to measure
freeness. Shifting those goalposts without gaining real (as in, voted
for) consensus from the larger DD community just isn't on.

>> do. Hint: it starts with actually becoming a DD rather than sniping
>> from the sidelines.
>I think "you're not a DD, so shut up" is about the weakest argument
>possible, given the amount people stress that you don't need to be
>a DD to contribute.  Please come back when you have some actual

FFS, that's not what I was saying. You need to be a DD to propose or
vote on updates to the DFSG. You're clearly not a DD (nor in the NM
queue), therefore you couldn't do either. You could change that if you
cared sufficiently...

Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"I can't ever sleep on planes ... call it irrational if you like, but I'm
 afraid I'll miss my stop" -- Vivek Dasmohapatra

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