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Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:

I'm not talking about running; I'm talking about making a copy of
Eclipse and a copy of Kaffe and putting them both on an end-user's
system such that when I type "eclipse" I get a program made out of

You don't get a program made out of both any more than you get a program made out of less (GPL) and eclipse (CPL) by typing

less eclipse

That doesn't make eclipse a derived work of less.

As I was politely asked to educate people not getting what a derived work is, let me use a nice, graphical analogy. A lot of talk about software licensing is crap, so I hope you don't mind me using terms everyone, I believe, is familar with.

You can wipe your ass with 100 USD bills without violating the copyright law, for example. By doing that, you create a derived work of both your shit and the 100USD bills.

Now, if the 100 USD bills came with a DFSG-free license, you could copy, modify further and distribute your modified work to other people, if they cared about 100 USD bills with your shit on them.

Does the fact that you can wipe wour shit with 100 USD bills means that your shit straight out of your ass is a derived work of the 100 USD bills you use to wipe it with? No, unless you eat some 100 USD bills first, and can find bits and pieces of the bills in your feces.

Even if you ate 100 USD bills, and went to shit five minutes later, it does not automatically follow that the heap shit you made five minutes after eating the bills actually contained any portion of the bills you ate 5 minutes ago. It could have been different bills, or something you ate before.

That's what people mean when they say evidence is no proof.

You have to examine what's happening, dig your hands into the shit, and find the pieces of the bills sticking out to prove that an original work of love and labour, the pile of shit, is a derived work from the 100 USD bills. And that's why noone with a good sense of smell likes goddamn awful long boring pissing matches on debian-legal about hypothetical license interpretations like this one. People get shit all over their hands from digging around and other people start throwing shit around. It makes everyone stink.

The visualisation of what consititues a mere aggregation of shit, and what constitutes a heap of shit deriving from other people's shits, invokes unpleasant images in my head, and is best left as an excercise to the so inclined reader.

Now, can we please end this discussion?

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