On 2004-05-02 22:02:38 +0100 Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> wrote:
Who the hell do you think you are to use market leveraging to force developers to use licenses they don't want that leave them exposed to dangers that endanger them not you?
Who the hell are you to use market leveraging to try to force developers to accept licences they don't want that leave their users exposed to dangers that endanger them not you?
Really, these linguistic pyrotechnics help no-one.If you want big invariant adverts required by your copyright licence, go ahead. We will not force you to do otherwise, but you cannot force us to distribute your software. You could try to persuade us, but you've really not done well at that so far. Maybe we've not done well at persuading you, but I doubt you had an open mind at the start of this discussion, as you already picked that licence for some reason.
I shudder to think how much money-worth has been put into developing debian. Trying to intimidate us with the size of your wad seems unlikely to work.
You are trying to create a new rigid orthodoxy to close off license experimentation (long before we have licenses that work well), and like most groups who create such orthodoxies, you are eager to oppress those who do not conform to things you do not deeply understand.
Licence experimentation is cool and froody, but debian should be free to make its mind up about what is acceptable to it. They're getting quite practised at it now.
I don't want to oppress you. However, you are eager to oppress debian's users.
I hope the FSF sticks to the GFDL and eventually makes GPL V3 resemble it.
I hope they don't.
They did it and nothing happened to them (except of course that XFree86 4.0 changed its license, which is the only way developers can effectively respond to such conduct).Surely there is! If we (or RedHat) were to do such a thing, our very users and developers would be quite vocal about it, and rightly so.
OK, so say RedHat did bad. I don't use RedHat for years, which is the only way users can effectively respond. I plan to stop using XFree86 because of its dumb developers who won't answer simple questions about the licence. I already don't use ReiserFS any more.
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