Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Dawson, Larry wrote:
Most people don't read Namesys.com, they only know about the name of the
filesystem, and the credits are very much needed in mkreiser4 to inform
them. In those credits, I am just one of the randomly chosen
Hans Reiser wrote
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
MJ Ray <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
You seem to understand the difference between credit and
advertisement as advertisements are credits for those you dislike.
You seem to understand the difference between modification and
plagiarism as plagiarism is a modification that you dislike
I could be talked into eliminating the one for me, though I
found it a bit of a pain that people
are a bit eager to think that I am some sort of businessman who hired
russians because he wasn't abstractly inclined himself. They seem to
think I am some sort of businessman fool enough to invest into free
software, rather than a guy who wanted to build something and
get anyone to fund it so he paid for reiserfs to come into
working a day job for 5.5 years. They often don't realize that I am
responsible for basic architectural features, like the idea of
aggregating small files together rather than always page
or that the most controversial deep design changes of V4
versus V3 were
doesn't praise you enough.
To be fair, these credits really do seem to be for others. Some of
them are credits *and* ads, and at least one is an ad for work for
Hans Reiser and Namesys, but they are credits as well, and most of
them for other people.
Personally, when I read the info on Namesys.com I assumed Hans
had designed pretty much all of Reiser 4.
Probably I should put the developer credits somewhere on the namesys
main page rather than just under the developers button. Thanks for
pointing that out.
Do you really think that there exists some moron willing to spend 4-5
man-years just so that debian can freely eliminate mention of who built
It was only later when I read (I can't remember precisely where) a page where Hans credited members of his team that I knew that others had contributed a lot. I will continue to credit Hans with a massive contribution to filesystem theory and practise. Credit for their work should be given freely :-)
Looking at a couple of lines of information about contributers each time I use ReiserFS progs is just not a problem for me - but it also seems plain to me that restricting changes to the source means that they cannot be put in debian. The license restriction is not compatible with the GPL.
Since the actual Reiser4 filesystem is fully free and GPL licensed, can debian include it without the Reiser programs? If some one wants to write GPL compatible reiserfs progs later then all is available "free" - so this does not seem to put the debian social contract in a complete bind. For now, obviously, a user is going to have to use the non-gpl-compatible (and hence non-debian) utilities to create a filesystem, and contributers to it will be credited.