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Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

Is this the licencing in question?

Finally, nothing in this license shall be interpreted to allow you to
fail to fairly credit me, or to remove my credits such as by creating
a front end that hides my credits from the user or renaming mkreiser4
to mkyourcompanyfs or even just make_filesystem, without my
permission, unless you are an end user not redistributing to others.
If you have doubts about how to properly do that, or about what is
fair, ask.  (Last I spoke with him Richard was contemplating how best
to address the fair crediting issue in the next GPL version.)

Also, a clustering file system built to work on top of this file
system shall be considered a derivative work for the purposes of
interpreting the GPL license granted herein.  Plugins are also to be
considered derivative works.  Share code or pay money, we give you the

I read this as meaning the following. Nobody is allowed to take the product 
that we produce and rename it into something else, thereby making it look as 
though it really belongs to someone else. 

The way I read the GPL is that it is essentially giving you the freedom to 
copy change and modify the code as long you pass this freedom along.

I do not see how the addition of this request for not altering the product 
name by renaming it something else is in contradiction with the GPL. The way 
I read the GPL, it would still be possible to create a new program that 
contained reiser4 code and call it something else as long as the code was 
free. All it appears that is being asked is to not change the name of the 
product itself. This is the moral and right thing to do. The GPL licence also 
makes its intent and purpose clear in the following statement

Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest your 
rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to exercise the 
right to control the distribution of derivative or collective works based on 
the Program. 

Nothing in what Hans has requested would restrict the distribution of 
derivative or collective works based on the program. This is what the GPL is 
in essence trying to exercise control over eg to distribute derivative or 
collective works. As it states it does not have the intention to claim rights 
or contest the rights of the person/people who wrote the program. I would 
seem to think that if you strip credits and rename the actual product itself, 
eg NOT a derivitave work then you are taking the rights away from the person 
who wrote it.

Anyway apart from the technical aspect I believe there is a more fundamental 
issue that should not be swept under the carpet and this is that it is clear 
that people are prepared to essentially exploit the hardwork of other people 
and it is these people who are going against the spirit of the GPL. What is 
the point of having the code copyrighted to Hans Reiser in the source code 
when all the end user gets to see is that this software is called company X.

I think people need to be more sensitive to the feelings of people that put 
such a huge amount of heart and soul into their software and not be so quick 
in dismissing their concerns. If people do not feel heard and do not feel 
that their contribution is essentially meaningful then it takes away one of 
the biggest motivations for releasing their hard work as Free Software.

And by the way if I could spell I would have spelt it right in the first 

Michael Milverton

GNU/Linux: Secure, Stable, Free
Michael <camel78@iprimus.com.au>

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