Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)
Branden Robinson writes:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:01:09PM +0200, Frank Mittelbach wrote:
> > Even here on the list I noted that several people (which I presume to to be
> > debian-legal regulars) used "public domain" in different senses.
> There is only one sense.
I wasn't questioning that, I was pointing out that while this is legally true,
many people misunderstand the fact that they use a "legal term" and use it for
something slightly different (and even some people on this list)
> Nice try, but the contention is that Knuth's licensing elsewhere
> supersedes the terms expressed within the file itself. Have you never
> heard of dual-licensing?
> If you disagree, or if this understanding is not clear and unambiguous
> -- if the copyright license files that Knuth wrote cannot clearly be
> interpreted to apply to each and every file in TeX, METAFONT, and
> Computer Modern, respectively -- then the Computer Modern fonts are NOT
yes I disagree.
what copyright license file you are talking about anyway? he hasn't written
such a thing, he has written articles and gave talks and he put various
comments into files (some of which are contradictory).
the text that Claire cited was not a license but an article.
i'm sorry if that is going to offend you again, but it seems to me that you
are doing here is exactly what I was I was commenting on in the other post
(and that felt so affronted about): use a legal situation (dual licensing) or
no proper licenses to interpret the situation against the authors wish.
> I repeat: the file renaming requirement is not DFSG-free, and you
> wanting it to be so will not make it so. DFSG 4 does not permit it.
Then the Computer Modern Fonts or TeX are not free (at least according to
Branden Robinson) that may well be the case.
> So, please, cut it out with the sophistry. A file renaming requirement
> is not DFSG-free and never will be unless the DFSG is amended to make it
It is nice to learn all those new words, first troll now sophistry.
However the situation seems to me just the other way around, you are trying
sophistry here: file renaming requirments are what TeX and friends brought to
the world of free software (perhaps not DSFG free, but free anyway). Don Knuth
hasn't formalized it in a proper (or improper) license but he has made it very
clear that that is what he would like others to follow when using reusing or
changing his work(s).