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Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 02:00:24AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> With a limit of 8,000 or 10,000 bytes, the GNU Emacs Manual would easily
> fail.  The GNU Manifesto itself easily blows past those limits.

Then it would've been a better example to look at for the purposes of
determining a byte count, wouldn't it?

> > Again, the things wrong with your proposal are:
> > 	* a byte limit is not helpful at best, and more likely actively
> > 	  counterproductive.
> I have proposed several times to get rid of it.
> Message-ID: <[🔎] 20011202075756.GD26052@deadbeast.net>

Uh, you're the one writing these new guidelines, you don't have to
"propose" to change them, you just have to change them. If you're going
to, fine, do it.

> > 	* considering non-binding text from the license separately
> > 	  to binding text in the license is unnecessary and overly
> > 	  awkward.
> I have proposed also to get rid of that.


> I am not convinced the GNU Manifesto should be explicitly grandfathered.
> In any event, it's not less than 1,000 words.  It's approximately 4,300.

It's also 25629 compressed-whitespace-bytes. There's around 4MB of stuff
in /usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc on my machine, with a mixture of licenses. If
you count just GNU (the GNU Manifesto) and WHY-FREE, neither of which
allow alterations, you get some 36991 compressed-whitespace-bytes,
which'd declare our emacs packages non-free.

I've been using << tr '[:space:]' ' ' | tr -s ' ' | wc -c >> to work out
my compressed-whitespace-byte counts, for reference.

Is the idea here to make minimal changes to answer the "But the GPL
itself is non-free!" FAQ and to allow various bits of free documentation
into main, or are we trying to make emacs non-free, or what?

If the former, then your proposal has effects beyond what you're trying
to do, and if the latter, well, I'm not convinced that's a worthwhile
goal to pursue, personally.


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