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Re: request

 > So far, only James Miller and Florian Lohoff have shown a correct
 > reading of this discussion. An explicit OpenContent agreement is
 > indeed the way to go.

 I forgot to mention Sam TH, whose contribution basically says that
 *if* Debian has the right to keep an archive of a posted mail
 (which is not the case), this does not imply the right of others
 to copy/mirror and index these mails.

 Re: James

 Thank you for your clarification.

 My reaction to the proposal of anonymous posting is that in the long
 run people may start misbehaving, and it is ultimately difficult to
 have a dialogue (imagine 10 anonymous correspondents having their own
 say). As list-master, I appreciate the good will of authors, who are
 genuinely themselves, in being also polite and positive. I certainly
 do not appreciate rude/offensive people, who often have a misreading
 of the topic being discussed and give no valuable contribution. But
 this is life, after all.

 Re: Mark Rafn

 >> I would like to repeat that I am an old friend,
 > You're not much of a friend, no matter how many years
 > you've been here.

 A friend of yours has mentioned that Debian charges 1000$ for each
 SPAM mail. Assuming this is correct and that no other prices are
 given, this may easily imply that this is indeed Debian's own
 cost/value per mail. A certain commercial site is now listing about
 450 regular mail of mine, which overall value is then of about 0.5
 Million Dollars. Debian is publishing my mail, and is doing it
 illegally. A number of other sites are also mirroring and indexing,
 and they are doing it illegally. So, dear Mark, if I were *not* a
 friend, I would not be here wasting my time with you, but I would be
 having pretty good time with the money that Debian and the other
 sites owe me. As you can see, I am a good friend.

 However, there are "friends" out there who are not yet aware of their
 wealth, and are not as friendly as I am. A single broadcast message
 would be sufficient for one of them to have a few megabytes of
 lawyers' replies to it, each of them being very willing to take any
 risk and go all the way to sue Debian. It is not difficult to foresee
 that this person is not going to be the only one, and that the
 Debian/GNU project will shut down because of it (think of Napster,
 its arrogance, and the outcome). Certain software companies would be
 very sympathetic on the matter, and would provide all the additional
 legal support, perhaps also for free. Chances are that this is
 already happening, as this very debate is now on the web (as some of
 you has previously reported).

 I would like to repeat my advise to Debian, namely to take immediate
 countermeasures, as by the time I managed to persuade the friends in
 this list, this mess would be already happening.

 I am of course grateful to Debian for its contribution to the GNU
 project, and it would be a real shame if Debian would be damaged.


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