RE: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Hans Reiser wrote
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> Dawson, Larry wrote:
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> >Hans Reiser wrote
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> >>Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
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> >>>MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
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> >>>>>You seem to understand the difference between credit and
> >>>>>advertisement as advertisements are credits for those
> you dislike.
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>You seem to understand the difference between modification and
> >>>>plagiarism as plagiarism is a modification that you dislike
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> >>because it
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> >>>>doesn't praise you enough.
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> >>>To be fair, these credits really do seem to be for others. Some of
> >>>them are credits *and* ads, and at least one is an ad for work for
> >>>Hans Reiser and Namesys, but they are credits as well, and most of
> >>>them for other people.
> >>>
> >>>-Brian
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> >>I could be talked into eliminating the one for me, though I
> >>have always
> >>found it a bit of a pain that people
> >>are a bit eager to think that I am some sort of businessman
> who hired
> >>russians because he wasn't abstractly inclined himself.
> They seem to
> >>think I am some sort of businessman fool enough to invest into free
> >>software, rather than a guy who wanted to build something and
> >>couldn't
> >>get anyone to fund it so he paid for reiserfs to come into
> >>existence by
> >>working a day job for 5.5 years. They often don't realize
> that I am
> >>responsible for basic architectural features, like the idea of
> >>aggregating small files together rather than always page
> >>aligning them,
> >>or that the most controversial deep design changes of V4
> >>versus V3 were
> >>mine.
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> >Personally, when I read the info on Namesys.com I assumed Hans
> >had designed pretty much all of Reiser 4.
> >
> Most people don't read Namesys.com, they only know about the
> name of the
> filesystem, and the credits are very much needed in mkreiser4
> to inform
> them. In those credits, I am just one of the randomly chosen
> developers/sponsors.
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> Probably I should put the developer credits somewhere on the namesys
> main page rather than just under the developers button. Thanks for
> pointing that out.
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> > It was only later when I read (I can't remember precisely
> where) a page where Hans credited members of his team that I
> knew that others had contributed a lot. I will continue to
> credit Hans with a massive contribution to filesystem theory
> and practise. Credit for their work should be given freely :-)
> >Looking at a couple of lines of information about
> contributers each time I use ReiserFS progs is just not a
> problem for me - but it also seems plain to me that
> restricting changes to the source means that they cannot be
> put in debian. The license restriction is not compatible with the GPL.
> >Since the actual Reiser4 filesystem is fully free and GPL
> licensed, can debian include it without the Reiser programs?
> If some one wants to write GPL compatible reiserfs progs
> later then all is available "free" - so this does not seem to
> put the debian social contract in a complete bind. For now,
> obviously, a user is going to have to use the
> non-gpl-compatible (and hence non-debian) utilities to create
> a filesystem, and contributers to it will be credited.
> >
> >
> Do you really think that there exists some moron willing to spend 4-5
> man-years just so that debian can freely eliminate mention of
> who built
> reiser4?
No I don't, and I agree it would be wasteful to do, (and of no useful value, to me). But it is possible, so I was hoping debian would see the possibility as freedom enough to include the reiser4 filesystem. I want them to include reiser 4, but it seems impossible to include the reiser progs given your licensing requirements.
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