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Re: Bug#747697: [LCFC] templates://debian-security-support/{debian-security-support.templates}



Justin B Rye wrote...

> If we need a synonym for "limited" that clearly isn't talking about
> duration, we might talk about support being "reduced" or "downgraded"
> or something.  Or looking at the version in my last patch:

Oops, that explains something. I didn't realize "limited" could be
understood in a "limited in time" sense. These things happen when
you're into this for a too long time.

> # This package provides a program to identify installed packages for
> # which it has been necessary to limit or prematurely end support, and to
> # alert the administrator.
> 
> It might not be necessary to change that - I would hope that in "limit
> or prematurely end" it's clear that "limit" itself can't mean
> "prematurely end" - but if I try to rephrase it I end up with:
> 
>   This package provides a program to identify installed packages for
>   which it has been necessary to end or reduce security support early,
>   and to alert the administrator.
> 
> Is that any better?

I'm not convinced. Another idea was to explain both like in "necessary
to limit support to a certain extent or end it ahead of schedule", but
honestly, I'm not sure whether this is worth the efforts. So let's
stay where we are.

> Then there's that final paragraph that we still need to thrash out.
> 
> |  Updated checklists are provided via regular and/or security updates.
>       
> Does "regular updates" mean "updates every n days", or "updates of the
> usual kind" (which would normally mean "uploaded to unstable"), or
> what exactly?

Rather the latter, but not the "normal" path.

> The alternative of
> |  Updated checklists are provided by new package versions.
> is a bad idea since all packages have new versions, but the default
> assumption in Debian is that they won't reach stable, and this doesn't
> explicitly override that default.  How about something like:
> 
>    New versions updating the checklists included in the stable release
>    will be provided via security updates.
> 
> But it would help if we had a cover term meaning "security updates in
> the strict sense, LTS updates, and whatever other kinds are
> appropriate".  Maybe "support updates"?  "Special updates"?  Maybe
> even
> 
>    New versions of this package with updated checklists will be provided
>    via standard and/or extended security support.

We should pick to that one. Moritz, short ACK oder NACK since this
introduces the "extended" term instead of "LTS"?

> JBR	with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
> 	sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package

    Christoph, a bit worn out, extending that discussion further will
        likely not gain any significant improvement.


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