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Re: Bug#640536: texlive-base: [INTL:de] Initial German debconf translation

Justin B Rye <jbr@edlug.org.uk> wrote:

> Frank Küster wrote:
>> Uups.  I just tried with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog, and what I get looks
>> like this:
>>  ┌─────────────────────────────────┤  ├────────────────────────────────┐
>>  │                                                                                                                 │ 
>>  │ TeX configuration cannot handle the system paper size Monarch                                                   │ 
>>  │                                                                                                                 │ 
>>  │ Your system-wide paper size is set to Monarch. However, the TeX configuration system cannot handle this paper   │ 
>>  │ size for all programs.         
>> I assumed that there would be the package name between the ──┤  ├── at
>> the top, but it isn't. Which means that after the wording change 
> So the Description text isn't appearing anywhere?  

It is - it is simply the first line of the text, "TeX configuration
cannot ...".  That is also what I expected, but I would have called the
thing between '┤  ├' the (window) title, and I assumed that the package
name would be there.  When Christian said the short description should
appear in the title, I was "alarmed" because then the package name
couldn't appear.  It seems that I have a different understanding of
"title" than Christian.  But nevertheless the package name does _not_

>>>> -_Description: TeX configuration cannot handle the system paper size ${libpaperPaper}
>>>> +_Description: Unmanageable system paper size (${libpaperPaper})
>> it is hard for the user to understand what the dialog is talking about -
>> they need to read to the second sentence in the second paragraph before
>> finding the information that this is about TeX.
> It rather depends on whether it's possible to reach this error without
> first having tried to configure a nonstandard system-wide default TeX
> paper size.  If we know that's the last thing the user did then we can
> be relatively confident they won't assume it's (say) CUPS that's
> producing this error.

He might have done nothing but install a TeX system, maybe upon initial
installation.  Prior to that, libpaper will be installed and configured.
If the user chose some exotic paper size for the system paper, the TeX
configuration programs cannot handle this, and the error will be shown
(and the TeX default will be a4).

>> Doesn't that mean we should reword the english short description again?
>> And after adding a mention to TeX somewhere, we'd end up somewhere near
>> to "System paper size not manageable by the TeX configuration" (note that
>> 'TeX' only would be technically wrong).  Quite near to the initial
>> phrase... 
> That's a bit long - if we keep the ${libpaperPaper} part people could
> end up faced with monster titles like:
>  ┌┤System paper size (government-letter) not manageable by the TeX configuration├┐

Ah, you mean it should be between the '┤  ├'?  Is it on your system?  

On the other hand, the longest paper name that "paperconfig --force"
suggests ist "halfexecutive".

>   _Description: TeX paper size configuration failure
> As it happens you could turn that into a grammatical sentence just by
> replacing "failure" with "failed", but I wouldn't recommend it.

In German, too:  "Fehler bei der Konfiguration der TeX-Papiergröße"
sounds much better than "Konfiguration der TeX-Papiergröße

Gruß, Frank
Frank Küster
Sprecher B90/Grüne OV Miltenberg und Umgebung
VCD Miltenberg, ADFC Aschaffenburg-Miltenberg
Debian Developer (TeXLive)

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