live-manual translated into Catalan
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this is not the case, please feel free to continue the discussion in
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My name is Carlos Zuferri (aka chals) and I started contributing to
the debian-live project two years ago translating live-manual and
several man-pages into Spanish, French and from last summer onward
into Catalan. I will provide links to the translations and their git
repos later on but first please let me explain you some of the
'special' characteristics of live-manual. I hope that this way you'll
understand much better some of the choices that I made.
1. Sorry for not getting in touch with you any sooner, you may argue
that since wheezy is about to be officially released, we are almost
out of time for a complete revision of the text. 100% agreed, however,
during the preparation of the final version to be released in wheezy,
there have been so many changes, I'm talking about hundreds of
commits, that it was really hard to decide when and how the
translations would be ready for a revision.
I also know that manuals are rated low priority in the world of
translations. I'm subscribed to some list and I know pretty well the
order of priorities, installer, debconf templates... and I also know
that you all might be busy updating last minute documentation for the
debian project. Congratulations for the great work you are doing. You
are rating very high in the stats:
I do not really know in depth about other projects within debian but I
think that the case of live-manual is one in a million in trying to
catch up to the changes in the code of live-build, it was constantly
updated, there were changes almost every week. Did I say 'hundreds of
commits'? I think so...
2. I really had to rush to finish the Catalan translation during the
summer and even though I revised it later there might be some errors I
wasn't able to spot. But I think the final result is 'acceptable'
keeping in mind these considerations:
2.1 A big part of the translation was done automatically, tweaking the
structure of the sentences and improving the vocabulary as much as
2.2 The style of live-manual is direct and straightforward. In the
beginning both the Catalan and Fench translation used a rather formal
style but it was self evident after some experience dealing with users
on irc that translations should try to imitate the original style as
much as possible. I learn that from Ben Armstrong. A simple example
should suffice. If you write "You can do this..." users will interpret
that it is merely an optional feature. However if you write "Do this
to achieve that." there is less space left for misinterpretations.
This is to say, in short, that there may be some inconsistencies in
the style since I'm changing/adapting the original rather formal style
of the original Catalan translation into a more direct,
straightforward language addressed to the reader trying to really
imitate as accurately as possible the original English text.
2.3 Expect the translation to contain typical features of the western
variety of Catalan as most of my contact with your language takes
place in Lleida.
3. I tend to make very, very long explanations in my e-mails because
I like to put my message across, sorry about that. I think that is all
And again as live-manual (unlike more static man pages) is continually
changing the toughest part is keeping it up to date. If anyone of you
is interested in contributing maintaining the translation or making
suggestions or changes feel free to to so. But please, do not push any
changes to live-manual's git until next month since there are two
important processes in progress and it would be too bad to interfere
in the work of others as described in this thread:
Other links that you may find of interest:
- Project's home page: http://live.debian.net/
- Mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/
- Online version of live-manual: http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/
- Git repository: http://live.debian.net/gitweb/
- Man pages (online version): http://live.debian.net/manpages/3.x/
Thank you very much for your attention, and sorry for the long e-mail.
Suggestions, critiques... extremely welcome.
Have a nice weekend :)