Re: [debian-knoppix] Knoppix installed on HD: still not a standard Debian!
On July 31, 2003 03:58 pm, Klaus Knopper wrote:
On July 31, 2003 03:58 pm, Klaus Knopper wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:26:17PM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> > I tried to make a boot floppy with mkrescue on a Knoppix HD installation:
> > desn't work! So, it seems I'll stay with Slackware for now. Maybe Fabian
>> will want to send me an email when version 1.0 of his script is out.
> >
> > As I said, I'm not a developper and I can't give nobody the whip. But may
> > I have... impressions? I find not much has changed hd-installation wise
> > since end of october 2002. And that's 9 months! Now there's a "hidden
> > feature" (says Klaus in his interview) to mount a partition as /home, but
> > you've got to run your system without a boot floppy, it seems.
> >
> > I'd luv to be as enthusiastic as Klaus and say nobody I know uses
> > Windows, but
>
> Wait... This is what I said? I don't remember it quite so. I DO know
> people who use Windows. I think.
Well, you did say:
KK: Most people and companies that I know are already using GNU/Linux on the
personal PCs. There are very few cases where people still rely, for backwards
compatibility, on some proprietary software that they had committed
themselves to, long ago.
http://www.pctechtalk.com/view.php?id=123
So it seems you meant that those who don't still use GNU/Linux are the «very
few» who have backward compatibilities issues.
Excuse me for summing up in a word, but I believe I was pretty close to the
spirit of what you said.
> > 1%... or less of the visits to Google are made with Linux!
>
> How can you tell? From the browser "user agent" string?
I suppose that's how Google tells. So? Do you think extrapolating from
LinuxCounter figures or multiplying by 10 the number of Linux CD downloaded
would give a more realistic figure?
> > At least Klaus' efforts have made Slackware easier to install :)
>
> Thanks, at least SOMETHING I did right... ;-)
You did a lot of things right and you provide a tremendous effort. Still, if a
few little details are not fixed, IT WILL BE EXACTLY AS IF YOU HAD DONE
NOTHING! (I'm shouting, do you hear me?)
When you read distrowatch's references, some people say they hand out copies
of Knoppix to their best friends. Reading this, I myself thought that Knoppix
had made it and recommended Knoppix to many people. I've been waiting for
this to happen since I had somebody download the Knoppix 3.1 , Oct 31st 2002
version, for me.
What do I find 9 months later? Just as was the case with Christian's efforts,
you want the installation program to be a (This is a quote »»») "hidden
feature". So well hidden, as a matter of fact, that you can't find the name
of the installation script, let alone finding how you can mount a partition
as /home.
Nothing has changed! Some new guy is rewrtiting an script "from scratch to
have an easy-config". Maybe we'll have a new one again in another nine month
pregnancy time? For now, there's only a little detail missing: it's not
possible to make a boot floppy. (If it is, nobody told me yet.)
I suppose that's where you get to when you motivate contributors by offering
their work as "hidden features". One can only fathom what Gentoo would be up
to if Daniel Robbins had been thinking the way you are.
Well, I might be a complete dummy computer-wise, but I would never recommand
anybody but my worst ennemies to run any OS without a boot floppy.
I'm not saying Fabian is not doing his best, but maybe he's not competent
enough, or he needs more help, or it's a mission impossible ordeal, or God
knows what. This I can't determine. But it seems to me many efforts will soon
be lost.
You also said:
" I never intended to publish another installable distribution. People expect
an installation manual and personal support, and I cannot do this for free in
my free time."
Slackware has but a very outdated manual, both online and in print. It's of
very little use now. And Volkerding offers no support. What's different with
you? You don't produce the installation program? If would think Robbins
produce a much lesser part of his distro. So?
In your interview, you say: "I'm not anti-MS." If you're sincere when you say
that, you have no idea of what MS stands for. It's just not any other
monopoly. It acquires power out of nothingness to control evry aspect of our
lifes.
You'd be hard pressed to find a more anti-MS individual than I. Still, I
believe Google more than Gates' and Ballmer's counter-anti-monopoly speaches
when they say they worry about Linux.
Enough with all the fuckin' hype! We're more than halfway through the second
year of "Linux on the desktop" and absolutely nothing is happening. Linuxtag
Expo is not the world!
Computers are now considered just another appliance and people want software
that works first hand. Linux has been released early all too often and is
still a far cry from this objective. Hey! If there's no development problem
here, I wonder where there is!
Because the Knoppix CD worked so well, I thought things were about to change.
I've been daydreaming, I suppose.
GP
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