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Re: Bug#258082: missing advansys module



On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 11:32:46PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
> Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >* Since I actually have an advansys card to test on, I should be able to
> >convert this driver to userland firmware loading without the annoyances of
> >a remote testing cycle.
> 
> But how do you expect people to install Sarge on systems where the only 
> mass storage controller is an advansys card? Certainly, telling people 
> to download a bunch of firmware udebs first before they can install, or 
> making them do so within the installer, is a huge setback in installer 
> userfriendliness.

.udeb loading from floppies or net is possible right now, altough less than
convenient. 

> (So first of all, please let me implore you to let this slide for Sarge, 
> at the very least. It's way too late in the game to start molesting SCSI 
> low level drivers, and to have to come up with initrd-tools and 
> debian-installer infrastructure to accomodate lots of firmware loads at 
> boot time and pre-installation. _No way_.)
> 
> Initially the big brouhaha was with tg3. It worked fine without the 
> firmware for 99% of devices, so that really was no matter to me.
> 
> Then we removed acenic support as well as some firmware for qlogic 
> cards, USB keyspan driver, what have you... Well, I figured few people 
> used it, so _to me_ it was but a small issue.
> 
> But eventually, if you keep up this crusade, installing Debian will 
> involve having megabytes of firmware files at hand. Chances are that NIC 
> drivers will get de-blobbed at some point, and will need firmware to 
> work. Ooops. There goes the idea of downloading the firmware from the 
> Internet at install time.

BTW, what is the thing that is reproached to those drivers ? That we don't
have source to those firmware blobs ? Or that we don't have the right to
modify them ?

What is the prefered form for upstream to provide those firmware thingies ?
And do they really have source for that ? 

Friendly,

Sven Luther



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