Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation
I tried to gather the opinions expressed previously in this discussion and now
I would like to integrate them with data from the Debian and Ubuntu Popularity
Contests  in order to avoid biased proposals.
My first proposal was for the task-kde-desktop and I thought it was useful to
understand the criteria that were followed for the inclusion of applications
in task meta-packages. Therefore I took a look at the source of tasksel-3.39
to understand how it is organised and for guidelines.
A part of a readme file suggests a criterion, it is for new tasks but I think
it is useful nonetheless:
>Care should be taken when adding new tasks to ensure that the new task is
>suitably generic -- it should be something of value to a large number (at
>least 25%) of our users; and 90% of our users should be able to understand
>what the task is from only its short description. It must not perform the
>same general purpose as some other existing task. It must contain packages
>that are the ones in most common use, and software that is of the best
I make the following assumption: if a task, like task-kde-desktop, is
something of value to at least the 25% of the users, then also the
applications included in said task should be something of value to at least
the same percentage of users. Excluding of course core applications and small
ones that are evidently useful or integral part of said task meta-package.
Let's try to make a first tentative with what I proposed in a previous message
and see if it make sense: in task-kde-desktop change the dependency of
gnome-orca from recommended to suggested.
| distro | package | inst | vote | old | recent | no-files |
| Debian | gnome-orca | 80219 | 3611 | 61008 | 15536 | 64 |
| Ubuntu | gnome-orca | 2212520 | 1166 | 2209850 | 659 | 845 |
(see  to understand the meaning of the columns)
Number of submissions considered in Debian popcon: 197536
Number of submissions considered in Ubuntu popcon: 2766185
Summarising, in Debian:
- 40.61% (80219 people out of 197536) installed this package
- 9.72% (80219-61008=19211 people out of 197536) installed this package and
use it regularly
- 1.82% (3611 people out of 197536) use this package regularly
- 79.99% installed this package
- 0.09% installed this package and use it regularly
- 0.04% use this package regularly
There is a discrepancy between the number of users who installed the package
and the number of users who regularly use it, so I wonder if popcon considers
as "inst" only the installations requested by users or also installations
performed automatically because of dependencies (e.g. task-kde-desktop -->
Given that, I would consider the percentage of people who use the package as a
more reliable data. So, because it is evident that the percentage of people
who use gnome-orca is under the threshold of the 25%, and because it is not an
integral application of the KDE Plasma desktop, this package should not be
recommended (installed by apt tools by default). Proposing it as suggested
package instead of recommended seems to be reasonable.
I took gnome-orca just as an example, it is recommended in every
task-*-desktop and maybe there is a reason. However the above evaluation can
be extended to other packages.
What do you think? Any help in understanding data correctly and drawing
conclusions is appreciated.