Re: Am I wrong understanding akonadi won't go to testing?
Am 27.07.2016 um 18:40 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Am Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2016, 17:38:55 CEST schrieb Holger Schramm:
>> Am 27.07.2016 um 14:07 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
>>> If you want to have stuff as it comes in, you can still switch to unstable
>>> – which works quite nicely for weeks already, IMHO.
>>
>> I was long time afraid to use sid (although i work with debian 24x7 a
>> day (servers and desktop), because it is called "unstable". But after I
>> have switched and used sid a couple of weeks I am suprised about it,
>> because I have less strugle with it instead of using testing. Especially
>> the different versions in testing with kde were very annoying (I don't
>> blame the maintainers about that).
>
> Please note tough that there is no guarantee whatsoever that things work
> correctly in unstable.
I am aware of this.
> At some time I wasn´t even able to log in to the Plasma desktop, since it
> crashed while doing so. But this didn´t last for more than 2 days I AFAIR.
>
> The major transitions that build the background of this temporary instability,
> like the G++ ABI transition and some other stuff I don´t quite recall at the
> moment, are done. So I do not expect any major instability issues with
> unstable at the moment.
>
> But again, this is no guarantee. Back then I even installed MATE desktop that
> would even work if Qt would be completely broke (which it was for some time).
>
> On any account I suggest you are keeping another desktop around just in case,
> or at least be willing to temporarily install one, in case you want to follow
> unstable. Also… directly after a release it may be wise to stay with that
> release for a while, before following unstable again.
I have additonally installed xfce for a long time, because if kde screws
up I can use xfce which is based on gtk. Furthermore I have daily
incremental backups of my desktop, a second computer to test the updates
and if nothing explodes, I update the main computer. I feel that I am
well prepared to survive. And if a problem occurs I have no issues
digging very deep.
> That said, if you are willing to deal with issues, report them, help resolving
> them, find temporary workarounds, I see unstable as a quite viable
> alternative.
> Similar things apply to testing, however when using transitions works out as
> expected, in the future it may be a bit more stable, at the price of having to
> wait longer for new stuff to trickle in. What doesn´t work tough is to
> complain about that unstable is exactly that, well unstable, instead of
> focussing on the solution, i.e. making it stable again, or just applying a
> temporary workaround.
>
> I think this was one of the main points I´d like to bring up here all the
> time. Let it be a conscious decision and be ready to deal with the
> consequences of it and it can be quite adventurous, but lots of the time also
> quite pleasant experience. And if you stay positive and constructive, you help
> to keep the quality of Debian or to make it even better.
>
Thanks for your tipps and advices, I really appreciate your patience in
writing all these long emails about using testing/sid the right way.
--
Holger
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