Re: Towards Java Libre
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Tom Marble a écrit :
> Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
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>>Thanks to inform me ;-) It seems no one from Debian think I'm enough
>>important to tell it to me ;-)
> *mea culpa*
You are not alone here. There are Debian Developers that could inform...
> This is my fault... Your name *did* come up in conversation. AFAIK
> this is the first time Sun has tried to collaborate with a completely
> open community while at the same time keeping a significant
> change in direction quiet for a planned press event at JavaOne.
Of course I don't like the way it happened. It hurts. But well, it'd be
better to inform *the* *list*, not only me.
> I don't think I could have understood what I do now about
> the Debian community if I hadn't attended Debconf....
> And most of the 3 days I was there were spent on technical
> issues around the packaging. It was a mistake for me not to
> invite all the parties involved in Java with Debian to
> participate in this first step.
>
> I can tell you quite sincerely that I was taken by surprise
> by Rich Green's comments yesterday. So now we have this second
> step -- how to open source Java -- which will require participation
> from all who want to set it free. This step is much, much
> more complex and important than the first and I truly hope
> I can count on your input.
I have problems to trust the way Sun is doing it. I understand it like
"we'll deliver a real java implementation to those poor little free
guys". I'd prefer a less commercial approach and a word from Sun to
support free implementations (GNU Classpath and friends): promise not to
sue them, help with the tck and so.
Here, I feel like contrasted: of course it'd be good for some of our
users (those who are not conscerned by free -as in speach- software) but
what about my friends from the free J implementation?
I saw a sun-jdk-source package or something... that means all those who
install this package and look at the sources will not be able to help
GNU Classpath. In my POV, one of the important thing we can do in Debian
is helping the GNU Classpath project and friends.
> Those of us within Sun who have
> passion for Free software need to join with those outside of Sun
> such as yourself to help show the way to the rather significant
> number of people who will resist this change.
I can understand the priorities at Sun and I can understand it's not the
same as in free software. I can understand it can be hard to work at Sun
with the changing politics about free software. It's the same at Ubuntu,
once they promote gcj, after they provide non-free jdk...
> Je vous prie d'accepter mes excuses pour cet oubli maladroit,
Je ne pense pas que ce soit un oubli.
I don't think you forgot. I think this is the way you communicate (I
mean at Sun, not you personnally). I think it's the same with the JCP:
"open" but discussions are completely closed and cannot go outside the
people involved. This is not the way we wanna work in here. We talk
about policy and fundamental changes publicly. I can understand your
concerns. Your marketing problems, competitors, etc.
Things I don't understand is why you want to include the jre/jdk in
Debian? You already provide rpm's and you are not free yet and we can't
build jre/jdk from sources. Also, you only provide your software on two
or three platforms where Debian provides 15! Why do you want to provide
packages for Gentoo, will jre/jdk be built from sources on Gentoo?
I feel like you want Sun everywhere without understanding the
specificities of the different distros... or without even discussing
(well, maybe you did but I did not see no mail about that).
Anyway, it seems to me there will be a culture clash and it could be
very interresting. I don't have that mutch time to help at the moment.
Maybe it'll be easier in some weeks.
Cheers,
- --
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Java Trap: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
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