> > I strongly oppose the classpath/java distinction for classpath vs.
> > non-free JREs and JDKs. Instead I propose dropping classpath-* as well,
> > and only using java-jre and java-jdk.
>
> So people that wants to use Java should install non-free software?
> That's not possible in Debian!
No, I want them to be able to use free software by default. The current
distinction will lead people to nonfree solutions by default.
> > Maybe I just have never seen a place where the distinction would be
> > useful, but in my mind it widens the gap between free and non-free Java
> > implementations. An ideal Debian world should, it seems, define JRE and
> > JDK virtual packages in a way that works for free implementations, and
> > can then be used for non-free implementations.
>
> You are right but it's not the actual reality. When free vm's will be
> 100% compatible with non-free ones, maybe we'll be able to drop the
> classpath-* virtual packages, but keep in mind that Java is a trademark
> of Sun Microsystems and in the license of Java, we couldn't replace a
> tool from the jdk with another with the same functionality!
It seems that there are two separate issues. Let me be sure that I
understand them correctly:
1) You want to have different virtual packages for free and non-free
JVMs so that when there is no free JVM to meet a packages needs it
can depend on a generic non-free JVM?
2) I don't see the trademark problem. There are already virtual
packages that use the word java. What would be the difference
between continuing the same trend?
> I'm not sure Sun Microsystems'd like the idea of our virtual java-*
> packages to be provided by free vm's! I'm really not sure this is legal!
See point #2 above.
> Maybe you have another proposal (I mean a legal one ;-))
As far as I can tell, the only real issue is #1 above. If that is the
case then I propose:
java-jre
java-jdk
java-jre-nonfree
java-jdk-nonfree
The first two would be used by all implementations, whether free of
non-free. The last two would be reserved for non-free implementations.
Charles
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