Re: Policy change proposal, Re: Bug#176628: sablevm: package incorrctly provides java1-runtime
Hi
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 04:51:11PM +0000, Geoff Beaumont wrote:
> Jesse Stockall wrote:
> >Only packages that provide a complete JDK 1.1 class library and
> >functioning VM should provide java1-runtime. Same for java2-runtime.
> >
> >For the same reason that Microsoft does not call their VM a Java VM,
> >Debian should not pretend that JDK 1.1 didn't include AWT.
> >
> >If there is a desire to have the incomplete VM's provide something, then
> >make it java1-nogui-runtime, or java1-noawt-runtime.
> >
> >Someone who is not familiar with Debian's Java policy (and this email
> >thread) would expect (and rightly so) that a package that provides
> >java1-runtime would be able to support any code written for Sun's JDK 1.1.
>
> As someone who generally just lurks on this list (my interest is as a
> user of Java runtime environments/virtual machines/whatever rather than
> as a packager or developer), I concur with Jesse. The provides should
> not describe packages as something which they are not.
Well actually the name does not imply the full runtime, just the runtime
classes. So the name is already bad. You are probably right in the
end user terms.
> As a user, I would expect a package claiming to provide java1-runtime to
> provide a Java 1 runtime environment, not some bits of it. Yes, I'm
> aware that provides exist mainly for the use of the package management
> system, but they are still a useful guide to the functionality of
> packages and should come across as honest and straightforward.
>
> And the clincher:
> How many times do you want to explain to newbies that a package that
> provides java1-runtime doesn't really contain a full Java 1 runtime
> environment? ;c)
Just as many times that I have to explain that the javaX-runtime is
just the runtime classes.
Well we could write it in the FAQ. Yes newbies do not read it but anyway.
Regards,
// Ola
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