Are most people running php stable? Or are you upgrading php to 4.38 from unstable? I'm stuck running 4.3.4 because I needed better pear support, and am leery of upgrading to 4.3.8 because stupidly enough it requires apache 1.3.31 as part of the upgrade. I was considering using the dotdeb backports, but have not yet decided. Still looking at what to do. -- --Luke CS Sysadmin, Montana State University-Bozeman