I think the world still owes Linus about 2^32 beers. Maybe we need to set up a centeralized beer repository for Hurd hackers ;) Anyway it's nice to see a (somewhat) flamey thread like this from time to time, 'cause at least it shows that community has a little passion. BTW, do those German hackers ever sleep? I swear I've seen Marcus post at every hour of the day! Greg Buchholz