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Re[5]: Anyone has read the FSF Usenix speech ?



Hello Patrick!

Thursday, July 12, 2001, 3:50:35 PM, you wrote:

PS> Debian is part of the development environment for the Hurd, and it
PS> works. The Hurd should work without Debian, but in fact the Hurd
PS> is useless without the rest of GNU, and the easiest way to get it
PS> is Debian. But we have to take care of "Distribution Wars".
PS> People could dislike the Hurd beacause of "Debian".
I came for Hurd after I read about it in Debian related information.
So, You can say I did it because of Debian. ;)

At now Hurd uses power of Debian. Or maybe I must say "Debian uses power
of Hurd, like Debian uses power of Linux"? ;)
And I can't see what is bad with it.
Philip said:
> The best results are obtained by cooperation.  In this case do not
> compete against GNU/Linux, cooperate.
That's true. Hurd and Debian works together isn't a problem.
Maybe problem is only Debian works with Hurd?
Are there another projects that uses Hurd and makes it usefull?
It will be great for Hurd if there will be more such projects.
Let's be open to all - not only to Debian!
But we can't compel anybody join to Hurd. We must make they WANT to
join! HOWTO? See below.

But NOW we have Debian. And IMHO it's need to use Debian's community
power as much as possible. And community power of any other Hurd
related projects too if there is or there will be such projects.

PS> Generally: We need good documentation and high quality information. we
PS> can't get users nor developers without these.

It is what I try to say!
Most Hurd peoples says "At first we must have stable Hurd".
IMHO at first it's need to have information && documentation open to
all. Then there will be more people to make Hurd stable and increase
it's power. It's need to make the project more open and informative.
Even basic information can attract peoples who will learn and maybe
then make new documentation.

Even if we have stable Hurd today - who knows about it and it's
features? How peoples will work with it without knowledge?

Excuse me, I repeat it again:
Hurd have poor information and community support. It's a neglect area.
Thierry said:
> There have been some improvements in this area, and, for example, Neal has
> made a great work.
> Marcus' presentation of the HURD during the LSM/Debian Conference One can be
> a great help to understand the basics about the HURD.
It's great!
But it is one of the steps Hurd needs.
Please, remember it!

I said it's need to invite peoples to Hurd. Only information and
documentation will be such inviting.

Thank You!
-- 
Best regards,
 dim                            mailto:dimsmol@yahoo.com


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