Quoting Joachim Breitner (2013-07-31 19:03:47) > sorry, I have a hard time to follow what is happening here and what, > if any, problems exist. Me too. > Am Mittwoch, den 31.07.2013, 06:34 +0100 schrieb Philip Hands: > > Having just had a very frustrating conversation about this ITP with > > Jonas, it seems that he has only a passing familiarity with Haskell, > > did not bother to request packaging by the Debian Haskell Group > > (which to me as an outsider seems to be the natural home for such a > > package), and imagined that he was a member of DHG when he in fact > > is not (which seems bizarre, and a little worrying). > > I always have considered Jonas to be at least somewhat part of the > Haskell group, by virtue of being the maintainer of pandoc, both a > popular tool and an important Haskell library (judging from its > position in the dependency graph). But indeed I don’t see him listed > as a member of the pkg-haskell team; maybe we just did not talk about > this enough. > > Jonas: How would you want your relation to the Haskell Group to be? I consider myself a member of the Haskell Group. I believe I am subscribed to the mailinglist but not - as Phil has now pointed out to me - member of the Alioth team. I see no need for that Alioth membership, as I feel fine using collab-maint for the packages I am involved with - pandoc and now also haskell-swish and its dependency haskell-intern. The reason I favor collab-maint is to make it as easy as possible for other DDs to contribute. It is my understanding that the Haskell Group is fine with this, but if not then I am ok moving the package to pkg-haskell (and then obviously would need to be part of that group to be able to continue my work on those packages). > From first glance it seems that swish is non-trivial as it is both an > executable, but also a library that is meant to be used by end-users > (similar to xmonad and yi). Who of you now wants swish in Debian and > can tell me more about how it ought to be presented to the user? As I also told Phil, my interest is in the Swish executable. Similar to Pandoc I have made separate binary packages for the libraries and the executable, as I would expect users of the library to be comfortable with having it provided same way as all other Haskell libraries - please do correct me if that assumption is wrong. > > I would also suggest that ftpmasters reject any haskell package > > uploaded by Jonas, at least until he bothers to have a reasonable > > discussion about the best way to proceed on the debian-haskell list. > > Sounds harsh; were you two at loggerheads? I could not find traces of > your discussions, but generally I know that both of you can have > reasonable discussions. @Phil: My general statement in my email footer applies to our private conversation too: If you really want to go forward with this then I recommend you to make our conversation public. I do feel that ftpmasters are the wrong ones to use for this, however. I seem to recall a thread pretty recently where some (including Joey Hess) consider ITP/RFP bugreports only as informal, not binding. Probably the right way forward is the technical committee. Not that I want to encourage you to do that, obviously - I'd prefer you just let go of it. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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