Re: We have a problem
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On 05/06/2015 04:24 PM, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> You need to do more research. I was the maintainer for the ax25
> suite of packages and the soundmodem package. It may have been in
> prehistoric times for you, but you should never say never unless
> you are absolutely sure.
I grepped for your name in the changelogs of soundmodem
>
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/s/soundmodem/unsta
ble_changelog
and I couldn't find it. When did this maintainership happen? You did
some uploads for the ax25 packages but as far as I can see, your name
was not removed there.
> Another indication of you needing to do just a bit more research is
> the recent "soundmodem is orphaned and unmaintained upstream" oops.
> A simple email to Thomas would have given you the answer but
> instead you apparently did a brief web search and decided to call
> the package dead upstream.
Where is he saying that? He didn't change the Homepage field in
debian/control, did he?
> One of the hallmarks of Debian has been respect for other Debian
> Developers and the work they do. Part of that is asking the other
> person if they want or need help. Even when there is no response,
> the expectation is a delayed non-maintainer upload is done unless
> it is a critical security issue.
One of the other hallmarks is also to not trying to bad-mouth other
DMs and DDs and the fact that you CC'ed Sylvestre with your email when
Sylvestre is Iain AM is much worse than making such mistakes that you
accuse Iain of.
> Back when the hamradio maintainers group was created, all the
> Debian Developers who were active in ham radio packages were added
> to all the ham radio packages as uploaders and the owner was
> changed to the hamradio maintainers group. This was done to make it
> easier for maintainence of the packages because there were a number
> of people available to handle "emergency" situations as well as
> general maintainence.
That's non-sense. You shouldn't include _ALL_ people from a certain
group but only the maintainers who are actually _uploading_ the
package, hence the name _Uploaders_. If you need to perform a
non-maintainer upload, guess what, you can use the non-maintainer
upload feature.
> Over the years since this was done, many of the people in the
> original hamradio maintainers group moved on. I worked on the
> packages I actually used and only in an extreme emergency build ad
> upload packages I don't use. This way I know the package I upload
> works.
Even if you had done it for centuries, I wouldn't mean it's right.
Again, if you need to perform an upload of a package you usually don't
maintain, you make a non-maintainer upload, as simple as that.
According to your logic, every package in Debian should list ALL ~1000
Debian Developers in debian/control so they can perform an upload in
"emergency".
> So you are now judge, jury and executioner with the power to
> declare Debian Developers retired from the project? It is such a
> relief to know you have the gift of reading people's hearts and
> minds without consulting them.
Dude, calm down. He didn't kick you out of Debian. He, rightfully,
removed you from the list of Uploaders because, you know, you weren't
uploading.
> I am more than a little concerned that you haven't completed the NM
> process and are able to upload packages....
What the hell is this supposed to mean? Are you actually reading what
you are saying here? You are philosophizing on how we should treat
each other in Debian but then you are writing sentences like these.
Adrian
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