<quote who="Weaver"> > but I need to know what other packages I need to give me access from gdm > without installing the kitchen sink - sawfish, nautilus, and etc, etc. Well, you need a window manager. For a minimal but familiarish system, sawfish and window maker are good choices. - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norway http://2004.guadec.org/ On a clear day, I bet you can really see the class struggle from that penthouse of yours.