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Bug#235759: libc6: iconv's replacement for "German quotes in UTF-8" to latin1



At Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:25:34 +0100,
Jens Nachtigall wrote:
> > I don't understand why they want to use this convertion instead
> > of ,, and ".  Please describe the reason for BTS or bugzilla.  In
> > addition I can't read German.
> 
> There was a bug report about this matter
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228486
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228486&msg=13
> 
> Hence the discussion on the German translators' list. The thing is 
> simply that ,, (2 commas) are not the same as one „ (the beginning 
> quote). This is quite confusing - take this as an example:
> $ cp -v .bashrc /tmp/
> ,,.bashrc" -> ,,/tmp/.bashrc"

So, default ` ' pair will become problematic under LANG=C, don't you?

> However, there is actually no need for this unappropriate 
> replacement pattern, since »this way to quote« is regarded 
> equivalent to „this way to quote“ in German. So when the above 
> mentioned bug report came up, the discussion on the German 
> translators' email list went like: "All translators should only use 
> » and «. This should be accepted as a generell convention and all 
> translators should stick to it etc." However, others said: "I want 
> to use  „ and “. These quotes are nicer and more often used (which 
> is true), get your PC ready for UTF-8". Later we found out that 
> this problem could be easily fixed by changing the replacement 
> pattern.

(I can't read your German quote on this mail client)

I searched about this original mapping.  ISO-5426 double open quote
seems being assigned to U201E:

	http://www.niso.org/international/SC4/Wg1_240.pdf
	http://www.issn.org:8080/English/pub/tools/format/characters

W3c example which uses ` ,, '.

	http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/generate.html

Markus Kuhn's transliteraion table uses another characters ` " '
(maybe high position character).
I think ,, is near character with U201E.

And is this modification gotten agreement from many German users?

I wonder this proposal is not well inspected.  I would like to reject
both bugzilla and BTS unless you provide more information.

Regards,
-- gotom



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