Sorry, libc people, this probably shouldn't have been left as 'grave': you might like to lower it to 'important' or 'oh no, not again'. =) Andrew. -- Andrew Shugg <andrew@neep.com.au> http://www.neep.com.au/ "Just remember, Mr Fawlty, there's always someone worse off than yourself." "Is there? Well I'd like to meet him. I could do with a good laugh."