Le 5 juil. 2013 11:58, "Andreas Tille" <tille@debian.org> a écrit :
>
> [Moved from debian-devel to debian-edu list - IMHO it belongs way more
> there. The history of this thread started here
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00108.html
> ]
>
> Hi José,
>
> On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 11:12:41AM +0200, José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> > 2013/7/5 Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu>
> > > Thanks for bringing Debian Science up - otherwise I would have done
> > > this. Luis, Debian Science repositories (SVN or Git as you prefer) are
> > > writable for any DD so you can commit straight to it. The package is
> > > also mentioned in Debian Science task electronics - so it perfectly fits
> > > here. I'd strongly recommend using Debian Science Vcs for packaging
> > > because your work will show up on the Blends sentinel even before it is
> > > uploaded.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Andreas, I don't see it clear:
> > - For me qucs is education related more than science, so, I'd consider it
> > in debian-edu more than in debian-science
I use daily for my academic research. Edu or science fit.
> Well, there are a lot of packages that fit perfectly in both and it
> makes no sense to "fight" for one or the other. Regarding the Blends
> tasks it is very simple: We mention the package in both and are done.
>
> If you need to decide for a VCS to maintain your packaging I would also
> not mind at all if you would do it in Debian Edu area - the only problem
> is that Debian Edu has not (yet - I know this is work in progress)
> established a kulture to maintain educational relevant packages inside a
> common VCS. In other Blends this as proven to be a *very* helpful
> thing. I just would like you to step back from a two-men-qucs packaging
> team - we just have a working infrastructure in Debian Science that can
> perfectly hold the qucs packaging and if Debian Edu might have this at
> one day and you feel better in working there it's perfectly fine to
> move.
>
> > - I've been qucs maintainer for 8 years, and filled the needed itp to have
> > it again in the archive after a qt4 version looks to be working.
>
> That's great.
Great
>
> > - I don't like at all Adms in qucs, its compilation in most Debian
> > platforms is not very clear, and it looks more like a patch than a program
It is an external program commited as a convenience library. We could use the external program by using configure flags in order to get verilgo a.
I need verilog a and I will do the homework.
> > - If Adms is a problem I will check how qucs works without Adms, because
> > there's not a working circuits simulator in Debian for secondary and
> > vocational teaching (oregano is totally buggy and geda is a joke for
> > teenagers). If verilog part must be removed to compile and work correctly
> > in Debian I think that can be assumed, as there are some compilers and
> > simulators to use verilog in Debian which are suitable for adults or
> > university students.
>
> I have no idea what Adms might be - so I can not comment here.
>
> > But...
> > I'd be glad to consider maintaining qucs with someone who is collaborating
> > with upstream and would be happy to see this mess finishing and having
> > again qucs in the Debian archive. As I've previously said, it's a needed
> > tool as there are no graphical working electronics simulators in Debian. My
> > students are using now https://www.circuitlab.com/ because of it. If
> > Bastien has tested the compilation of adms in non intel architectures and
> > it's not a problem we could go ahead, but I need more info to avoid the
> > stalling of qucs in sid because of Adms problems with the builders. As I've
> > said before, qucs should work without Adms and verilog is not a must for me
> > when I think in the secondary and vocational teaching world.
>
> As far as I see it is a good idea to discuss qucs issues on a mailing list
> where knowledged people are reading. I have no idea whether this might be
> rather debian-edu or debian-science list.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Andreas.
>
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