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Re: Apt repository interoperability (was: Bug#311188: Debian edu messed up my Ubuntu system.)



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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:48:52AM +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:42:38 +0200, Andreas Tille <tillea@rki.de> wrote:

>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Herman Robak wrote:

>>> Users who add third party repositories are left to figure out this 
>>> for themselves.  It's as if adding an apt repository is an expert 
>>> operation; User Beware!

Try compare that to pedestrians in traffic...

Mixing APT sources is like crossing the street outside pedestrian 
crossing marks.


>> In how far is this action more or less dangerous as any other action
>> done by root?

True, other traffic scenarios can kill you too.

>  It isn't.  It just happens to be pretty common. Because it is 
> frequently encouraged, by HOWTOs and other users.  Installing stuff is 
> a very common task, and Debian's walled garden doesn't have ALL the 
> desired stuff.
>
>  Joe Average should hardly ever need to become root.  But he has to 
> become root to install software.  There's your test: "When does Joe 
> Average have to become root?"

When Joe Average needs something not contained in his "walled garden".

When do Joe Average then have to cross the strees outside pedestrian 
areas?  When the urge to challenge authorities and explore the fabulous 
"outside world" gets stronger than the happiness of feeling safe.


Debian is your parents telling what is safe to do.  Thousands of HOWTOs 
on bungy jump and drag racing can't change that.



I don't question the fun of bungy jump, or the "need" for trying it.  
But I do question that it is a duty of parents to include bungy jump in 
raising their kids.


So no, I do not believe that Debian, Debian-edu or Ubuntu would be 
improved by adding features to guide you in doing things you are not 
supposed to do, even if it is common.


  - Jonas

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* Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt
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