El dom, 20-04-2008 a las 20:37 +0200, Herman Robak escribió: > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:16:23 +0200, Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > please stop this discussion about buggy ubuntu here, the bug is long > > enough already and we should rather concentrate on fixing it and all its > > blockers, instead of trying to fix this issue. > > Sorry, it was the wrong bug report to attach that discussion to. > > However, _my_ point was not about addressing bugginess in Ubuntu. > It was not really specific to Ubuntu at all, except in that I > expected Ubuntu developers and users to be less likely to give > me a blank stare as if to say "and why is that a problem?" > > You see, I'm quite embarrassed by the Debian switcharoo: > > 1) Advocate Debian as a Free and stable distro where package > installation and upgrading is easy-peasy (no Dependency Hell!) > > 2) Answer complaints about lacking the latest and greatest by > pointing to Sid (the latest) or unofficial repositories > (patent-encumbered stuff) > > 3) When (2) somehow breaks the user's system, wash hands and > say "you should have used stable, and only that". > > > For many users (2) is unavoidable. And when you do that, > you are on your own. Not many gentle safety features are > offered, just a bunch of Really Powerful and Fully Tweakable > options for the proper expert. > > What to do about that? Say "Use Ubuntu"? Sorry, but I don't understand your point: 1) is compatible with 2) whenever you don't mix things. In my personal pc's, I'm a happy Debian testing user since more than a year and never had any problem. What I don't try to do is messing stable with testing. You can not tell that to the users (or even worst, stable with sid) About patents: there's some discussion now in Debian to recover the non-US branch. In fact it would be non-US_DE_JP, for the rest of the world who are not (too) worried for stupid patents laws. I don't know what will happen with this discussion, but in the meantime I've been using debian testing with debian-multimedia.org repository for testing (again don't-mix-distributions) for some family and friends and never had any problem either. So, what's the problem again?: Mixing distributions (testing-stable-sid) or even Debian with Ubuntu-with-some-strange-name-version . I don't think in Debian we should worry in fixing those mix, if Ubuntu people want to spend their time on it, it's fine: use Ubuntu then. I prefer to spend my time in making a better and more stable Debian, where you can say 1) being sure that's really true. Cheers.
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