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Re: Bug#864166: release-notes: proofreading sweep - issues.dbk

On 06/05/2017 09:30 PM, Justin B Rye wrote:
> Julien Cristau wrote:
>> Niels Thykier wrote:
>>> Justin B Rye:
>>>> I was assuming otherwise because the first symptom I ran into was that
>>>> running startx in the absence of xserver-xorg-legacy gave me an X
>>>> session with non-functional mouse and keyboard.
>>>> But when I check now, installing every available xserver-xorg-*
>>>> package in main including -legacy as well as -input-libinput makes no
>>>> difference to that.  On a testbed stretch machine with functional
>>>> logind and so on but with an old KMS-incapable graphics card, I
>>>> haven't found any way of making startx usable.
>>> Not sure what is going there.  But I haven't used startx for years until
>>> I learned of this feature, so I am probably not the right person to ask
>>> what is going on/why it doesn't work.
>>>> Switching over to lightdm I can get a usable session without -legacy
>>>> as long as I have -input-libinput.  So I'm afraid I have no idea
>>>> what's going on, or even how many problems there are.
>>> As I understand it, lightdm will start X as root unconditionally, so
>>> that will work with or without -legacy.  You want -legacy when using gdm
>>> (or startx) plus have "old drivers".
>>>  * @debian-x: Is the above correct?
>> Yes, any reasonable (read: KMS) setup will work fine without -legacy.
>> In the absence of KMS (e.g. virtualbox, or new hardware not supported by
>> the drivers we ship), you'll need either -legacy or a DM that hasn't
>> been updated to starting X as non-root yet.
> So if I *do* have all the xserver-xorg-* packages installed (and
> logind and so on), it's expected that everything should work, even on
> an antique graphics card?  For me, startx refuses to work on stretch -
> it starts, but won't accept input.  Switching to lightdm fixes it.
> I hope this glitch isn't going to be a widespread result of 8-to-9
> dist-upgrades, because the other mystery issue I keep encountering
> breaks networking, and dead console plus dead SSH is a pain.
"antique graphics card" isn't something I can work with, please give
actual details?


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