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Bug#782110: marked as done (in 4.4.5 please drop -f from apt-get install)



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--- Begin Message ---
Package: release-notes
Severity: minor
Tags: patch

Hi,

Section "4.4.5. Upgrading the system" [0] has at the end the
suggestion: "trying apt-get -f install package.".

In the best (and usual) case the -f has no effect here. -f stands for
--fix-broken, so if nothing is broken (referring to the current state
of the system – ala "dpkg --audit" output is not empty) nothing bad
(nor anything good) happens cause of it.

If the system is broken through -f takes full effect – and specifying
packages after it is usually not a good idea as this needs to be
a complete solution sidestepping apts resolver entirely, while without
apt-get will figure out a solution on its own with the resolver
(which is why later on in troubleshooting its mentioned without).

So, in the way this is presented it feels like -f stands for --force
even through such a flag doesn't exist (nor would it be sensible).
It also wastes three keystrokes per user. ;)


Attached is a diff to drop the -f from all translations, even those
which seem kinda stale (I have my doubts "aptitude -f" had the behaviour
suggested in older version here either, but I haven't touched those).
Hope that helps.


Best regards

David Kalnischkies
Index: be/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- be/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ be/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Новыя версіі раней усталяваных пакетаў, якія немагчыма абнавіць, не змяніўшы "
Index: cs/upgrading.dbk
===================================================================
--- cs/upgrading.dbk	(Revision 10737)
+++ cs/upgrading.dbk	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1151,7 +1151,7 @@
 (zobrazováno jako <quote>přidržení</quote>). To můžete vyřešit
 programem <command>aptitude</command>, kde tyto balíky vyberete k
 instalaci, nebo můžete zkusit příkaz
-<literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>balík</replaceable></literal>.
+<literal>apt-get install <replaceable>balík</replaceable></literal>.
 
       </para>
     </section>
Index: da/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- da/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ da/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1802,7 +1802,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nye versioner af aktuelt installerede pakker, som ikke kan opgraderes uden "
@@ -1809,7 +1809,7 @@
 "at ændre installationsstatus for andre pakker vil blive efterladt med deres "
 "aktuelle version (vist som <quote>held back</quote>). Dette kan løses ved "
 "enten at bruge <command>aptitude</command> til at vælge disse pakker for "
-"installation elelr ved at prøve <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"installation elelr ved at prøve <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>package</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: de/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- de/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ de/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1939,7 +1939,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Neue Versionen von bereits installierten Paketen, die nicht aktualisiert "
@@ -1947,7 +1947,7 @@
 "werden in ihrer derzeitigen Version belassen (sie werden als "
 "<quote>zurückgehalten</quote> angezeigt). Dies kann aufgelöst werden, indem "
 "Sie entweder <command>aptitude</command> verwenden, um diese Pakete zur "
-"Installation vorzumerken, oder indem Sie <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"Installation vorzumerken, oder indem Sie <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>paketname</replaceable></literal> versuchen."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: en/upgrading.dbk
===================================================================
--- en/upgrading.dbk	(Revision 10737)
+++ en/upgrading.dbk	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -969,7 +969,7 @@
 changing the install status of another package will be left at their current
 version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by either using
 <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for installation or by
-trying <literal>apt-get -f install
+trying <literal>apt-get install
 <replaceable>package</replaceable></literal>.
 </para>
 </section>
Index: es/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- es/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ es/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1833,7 +1833,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Las versiones nuevas de los paquetes ya instalados que no se puedan "
@@ -1841,7 +1841,7 @@
 "dejarán en su versión actual (en cuyo caso se mostrarán como «held back», es "
 "decir, «retenidos»). Se puede resolver esta incidencia usando "
 "<command>aptitude</command> para elegir esos paquetes para que se instalen, "
-"o intentando ejecutar <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>paquete</"
+"o intentando ejecutar <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>paquete</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: fi/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- fi/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ fi/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -2143,7 +2143,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Asennettujen pakettien uudet versiot, joita ei voi asentaa\n"
Index: fr/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- fr/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ fr/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1851,7 +1851,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Les paquets déjà installés ayant une nouvelle version, mais qui ne peuvent "
@@ -1859,7 +1859,7 @@
 "leur version actuelle (et affichés comme retenus &mdash; <quote>held back</"
 "quote>). Cela peut être résolu soit en utilisant <command>aptitude</command> "
 "et en choisissant d'installer ces paquets, soit en essayant <literal>apt-get "
-"-f install <replaceable>paquet</replaceable></literal>."
+"install <replaceable>paquet</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
 #: en/upgrading.dbk:952
Index: it/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- it/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ it/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1939,7 +1939,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nuove versioni di pacchetti attualmente installati che non possono essere "
@@ -1947,7 +1947,7 @@
 "saranno lasciate alla loro attuale versione (contrassegnati come <quote>held "
 "back</quote>;, <quote>bloccati</quote>). Questo fatto può essere risolto o "
 "utilizzando <command>aptitude</command>, per designare tali pacchetti per "
-"l'installazione, o provando con <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"l'installazione, o provando con <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>pacchetto</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: ja/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- ja/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ ja/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1813,7 +1813,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "現在インストールされているパッケージを新しいバージョンへとアップグレードする"
@@ -1820,7 +1820,7 @@
 "際に、他のパッケージのインストール状態を変更しなければならないような場合に"
 "は、そのパッケージは現在のバージョンのままになります (<quote>固定されている</"
 "quote> と表示されます)。この状態は、<command>aptitude</command> でこれらの"
-"パッケージをインストール対象として選択するか、または <literal>apt-get -f "
+"パッケージをインストール対象として選択するか、または <literal>apt-get "
 "install <replaceable>パッケージ名</replaceable></literal> を実行してみると、"
 "解決できます。"
 
Index: lt/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- lt/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ lt/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1995,7 +1995,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Naujos versijos šiuo metu jau įdiegtų paketų, kurie negali būti atnaujinti, "
Index: ml/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- ml/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ ml/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1989,7 +1989,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "മറ്റു പൊതികളുടെ പ്രതിഷ്ഠാപന നിലവാരം മാറാതെ പുതുക്കാന്‍ കഴിയാത്തതും നിലവിലുള്ളതുമായ പൊതികളുടെ "
Index: nb/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- nb/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ nb/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -2009,7 +2009,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nye versjoner av installerte pakker som ikke kan oppgraderes uten å endre "
Index: nl/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- nl/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ nl/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1340,7 +1340,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 
Index: pl/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- pl/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ pl/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1803,7 +1803,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nowe wersje zainstalowanych pakietów, które nie mogą być zainstalowane bez "
@@ -1810,7 +1810,7 @@
 "zmiany statusu innego pakietu zostaną pozostawione w bieżącej wersji "
 "(wyświetlone jako <quote>zatrzymane</quote>). Można to rozwiązać za pomocą "
 "<command>aptitude</command>, wybierając te pakiety do instalacji; można też "
-"spróbować wykonać <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>pakiet</"
+"spróbować wykonać <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>pakiet</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: pt/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- pt/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ pt/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1897,7 +1897,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "As novas versões dos pacotes actualmente instalados que não possam ser "
@@ -1904,7 +1904,7 @@
 "actualizadas sem alterar o estado de instalação de outro pacote serão "
 "deixadas na sua versão actual (mostradas como <quote>held back</quote>). "
 "Isto pode ser resolvido ou utilizando o <command>aptitude</command> de modo "
-"a escolher estes pacotes para instalação ou tentando <literal>apt-get -f "
+"a escolher estes pacotes para instalação ou tentando <literal>apt-get "
 "install <replaceable>pacote</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: pt-br/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- pt-br/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ pt-br/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1900,7 +1900,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "As novas versões dos pacotes instalados atualmente que não puderem ser "
@@ -1907,7 +1907,7 @@
 "atualizadas sem mudar o estado da instalação de um outro pacote serão "
 "deixadas em sua versão atual (exibidas como <quote>held back</quote>). Isso "
 "pode ser resolvido tanto utilizando o <command>aptitude</command> para "
-"escolher esses pacotes para instalação como tentando <literal>apt-get -f "
+"escolher esses pacotes para instalação como tentando <literal>apt-get "
 "install <replaceable>pacote</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: ro/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- ro/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ ro/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1907,7 +1907,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Pachetele deja instalate care nu pot fi înnoite la versiuni mai noi fără a "
@@ -1914,7 +1914,7 @@
 "schimba statutul instalării altui pachet vor fi lăsate la versiunea curentă "
 "(marcate ca <quote>held back</quote>). Acest lucru poate fi rezolvat prin "
 "utilizarea comenzii <command>aptitude</command> și alegerea acestor pachete "
-"pentru instalare sau prin rularea comenzii <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"pentru instalare sau prin rularea comenzii <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>pachet</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: ru/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- ru/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ ru/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1809,7 +1809,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Новые версии уже установленных пакетов, которые нельзя обновить не меняя "
@@ -1816,7 +1816,7 @@
 "состояния других пакетов, не будут установлены (программа выведет сообщение, "
 "что пакет зафиксирован, <quote>held back</quote>). Разрешить ситуацию можно, "
 "либо отметив такой пакет как подлежащий установке с помощью "
-"<command>aptitude</command>, либо выполнив команду <literal>apt-get -f "
+"<command>aptitude</command>, либо выполнив команду <literal>apt-get "
 "install <replaceable>пакет</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: sk/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- sk/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ sk/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1790,7 +1790,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nové verzie momentálne nainštalovaných balíkov, ktoré nie je možné "
@@ -1797,7 +1797,7 @@
 "aktualizovať bez zmeny stavu inštalácie iného balíka budú ponechané v "
 "aktuálnej verzii (zobrazia sa ako „podržané“). To je možné vyriešiť buď "
 "pomocou  <command>aptitude</command> tak, že zvolíte tieto balíky na "
-"inštaláciu alebo tak, že skúsite spustiť <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"inštaláciu alebo tak, že skúsite spustiť <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>balík</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: sv/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- sv/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ sv/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1866,7 +1866,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Nya versioner av installerade paket, som inte kan uppgraderas utan att ändra "
@@ -1873,7 +1873,7 @@
 "installationsstatus för ett annat paket, kommer att lämnas kvar vid deras "
 "nuvarande version (visas som <quote>återhållna</quote>). Det kan lösas genom "
 "att antingen använda <command>aptitude</command> för att välja dessa paket "
-"för installation eller genom att prova <literal>apt-get -f install "
+"för installation eller genom att prova <literal>apt-get install "
 "<replaceable>paket</replaceable></literal>."
 
 #. type: Content of: <chapter><section><title>
Index: vi/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- vi/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ vi/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -2004,7 +2004,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "Gói được cài đặt hiện thời mà không thể nâng cấp mà không thay đổi trạng "
Index: zh-cn/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- zh-cn/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ zh-cn/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1899,7 +1899,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
-"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get -f install <replaceable>package</"
+"installation or by trying <literal>apt-get install <replaceable>package</"
 "replaceable></literal>."
 msgstr ""
 "如果不改变被指定在当前状态(显示为 <quote>held back</quote>) 的另一个包,当前"
Index: zh-tw/upgrading.po
===================================================================
--- zh-tw/upgrading.po	(Revision 10737)
+++ zh-tw/upgrading.po	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -1974,7 +1974,7 @@
 "changing the install status of another package will be left at their current "
 "version (displayed as <quote>held back</quote>).  This can be resolved by "
 "either using <command>aptitude</command> to choose these packages for "
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On 2015-04-07 23:59, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> Package: release-notes
> Severity: minor
> Tags: patch
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Section "4.4.5. Upgrading the system" [0] has at the end the
> suggestion: "trying apt-get -f install package.".
> 
>[...]
> 
> 
> Attached is a diff to drop the -f from all translations, even those
> which seem kinda stale (I have my doubts "aptitude -f" had the behaviour
> suggested in older version here either, but I haven't touched those).
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> David Kalnischkies
> 

Thanks, I have applied the patch as-is.

Thanks,
~Niels

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