Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> writes: > hi, > > for the record I find this usage of libre to be silly, offensive > and factually wrong. This is also not first offensive project > abusing the word "libre", so this is not really speficially aimed at > this project or the proposer. > > I just feel spitted in a face by a clown and wanted to share > that, instead of swallowing it once again. Also, because of all of > this, my brain hurts. Surprisingly I find myself agreeing or sympathizing a lot with that -- I find the "libre" word diminishing and sometimes counter-productive, but tentatively used it because it fits a well-known pattern and should get the message across what the effort is about. Except I don't understand what you mean with the "factually wrong" part: There is no ambiguity that the official Debian bookworm and trixie images contains non-free proprietary software that we don't have source code for, is there? That fact is even encoded in Debian's social contract now. Removing the non-free parts of something is what "libre" variants are usually about, and that is the goal here. > (Maybe instead of abusing the word "libre" it would be better to use > descriptive names like "Debian, where hardware bugs cannot be fixed". > Surely this sounds less catchy than libre...) The Debian Libre Live Images allows the user to opt-in and use non-free firmware if someone desire that. On some machines, I will use it to get working WiFi. I just feel strongly that I shouldn't be forced to touch those blobs, because they are a supply-chain bomb waiting to happen (among other reasons). /Simon
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