On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 02:56:21AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 09:18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > Afaict we have still no idea on how to move on. > > > > 1 I think you agree that there is a significant number of usrmerged Debian > > installations out there. > > My wish would be to indeed salvage those systems, > that's why I implemented dpkg-fsys-usrunmess. > > > 2 As you have stated there are known issues with dpkg and usrmerged > > systems. Some of them are are triggered by moving files from / to /usr. > > Well, in my mind the first and most immediate action that would be > done, is to stop the bleeding, by: > > - reverting the changes in deboostrap in sid, bullseye (and ideally > in buster too), > - reverting the notion that split-/usr is unsupported (which includes > the extremely confusing interpretation about this applying to > sid/testing too), and update documentation such as release-notes, This bullet point response confuses me - and then what? If I understand your position correctly, you don't want merged-/usr as an end-goal and you disagree with usrmerge transition as a hack. In order to achieve the result above without bypassing Debian processes, the formal method would to pass a GR overriding the tech-ctte minority. Is the only reason you haven't proposed that as a GR that you've already sunk too much energy into this? Or that you don't trust that process? Lets say you get your wish: to achieve technical excellence the Project backs your position and recommends running usrunmess to ensure everyone's systems are back to split-/usr for Debian 12. However, hypothetically, and against your better judgement, the Project still wants the end-goal to be merged-/usr. It seems to me that most commentators are deferring to your knowledge of dpkg internals. Whether you call it a feature request or a long-standing bug, what patchset would you be willing to merge into dpkg to support the new layout? This is a similar scenario to Russ' parallel email: On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 01:23:19PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I do not believe it will be possible at this point to > convince the project as a whole to unwind usrmerge and go back to doing > individual package migrations. > > Given that as a design constraint (we will not be doing this transition > via one-by-one changes to each package), what would you support as a good > architectural solution to this transition? What is the technically excellent thing everyone else should be working on, that you will support in dpkg despite personally disagreeing with the end-goal of merged-/usr? Presumably this feature could also be implemented in time for Debian 12. Would it then be possible to make everyone's systems merged-/usr upon release of Debian 13, in 2025? I'm sorry, you won't know me from adam, so I hope you don't interpret this as pro-merged-/usr, but as a chance to explain how you getting your way doesn't stand in the way of what others consider timely progress.
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