Martin Steigerwald - 06.02.20, 14:32:57 CET: > Ansgar - 06.02.20, 13:25:06 CET: > > On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 12:30 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Especially as I found that I did not use journalctl in my daily > > > practice anyway. > > > > Given you wrote earlier that you moved all but one of your machines > > away from Debian, whatever Debian installs by default doesn't affect > > you anyway. > > > > I don't write on mailing lists of distributions I don't use (or only > > use a bit) arguing about what is included in their default > > installation, though one could argue that emacs should be installed > > everywhere by default. > > That I do not use Debian anymore on all except one of my system does > not mean that I still feel bonds with the project, especially some > teams of it, like the Debian Qt KDE team. > > Also it does not (yet) mean that I abandoned my packaging efforts for > it. > > But of course, if you like to get rid of contributors, feel free to > pursue this kind of "go away already!" attitude. > > To be very clear: After your comment I feel *unwelcome* here. Okay, it is time to draw a conclusion out of this: I choose not to repeat the same pattern as with previous discussions. I have seen how people have been made unwelcome on debian-devel just for *sharing* their concerns and points of view quite some times here. So I leave, for now at least. I feel unwelcome here. Now I welcome and accept that feeling. If you have nothing constructive or supportive about this please refrain from contacting me. I may just delete any non-supportive mail without any notification. I am at a loss how Debian can resolve the underlying conflict at the moment. I see how the GR certainly did not achieve this. Whether I will leave Debian altogether and/or abandon my packaging work is not up for decision today for me. I do not make such a decision lightly, especially after the personal bonds and relationships I have with some of the contributors to this project. But for now participating in discussions on debian-devel does not appear to be a healthy use of my time. So I stop doing that. For now at least. Best of success for moving through to a better outcome for everyone involved. For now, I am out. Best, -- Martin
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