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Re: new kubernetes packaging

On 24/03/2020 23:05, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 15:14:02 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I think this calculus is not entirely obvious.
> Thank you for applying some much-needed nuance to this issue. I suspect
> the ideal policy is neither "never use vendored dependencies" nor
> "always use vendored dependencies".
> Many of our packaging policies were designed for medium-sized C/C++
> libraries - not much smaller than, say, zlib, but not much bigger than
> something like GTK either - with a sufficiently stable API and ABI that
> versions are somewhat interchangeable, and I think the further away
> from that we get, the less well those policies will fit. We have a lot
> of trouble with micropackages (as exemplified by the nodejs ecosystem
> in which many packages provide a single function), but at the other end
> of the scale, monoliths like Libreoffice, TeXLive and Firefox don't fit
> a lot of our usual policies and practices so well either.
We should probably look at formalizing a concept of "bundle" packages,
shipping either a number of static libs-like files (go) in a -dev package

or a bundle of microlibs in a libjs-* package.

Dependencies using them would use Built-Using: for package construction
but also ship a description of the exact content versions.

Note that we also have bunches of lib* packages shipping multiple small
C/C++ shared libs, as upstream does it this way;

we need to set policies in place for  handling incompatible upgrades in
these cases: what do we need to do to ship multiple incompatible copies
of a Go static lib (do we ever do that? )

One example: openmpi ships multiple shared libs in a libopenmpi3
package. I'm arguing with upstream that the SOVERSIONS of the shared
libs need to be kept in lockstep

so that if for example package 'libopenmpi3' ships 'libopen-pal.so.40',
then 'libopenmpi4' does not; the soversions gets bumped to '*.so.50*'
for them all, even if no code changes in this particular library.

>     smcv
Alastair McKinstry, email: alastair@sceal.ie, matrix: @alastair:sceal.ie, phone: 087-6847928
Green Party Councillor, Galway County Council 

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