Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)
I pretty much agree with everything you just said.
O.
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Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>
> On 8 Aug 2019, at 20:34, Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> wrote:
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> Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> writes:
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>> So, just to clarify… so, it’s ok to hate systemd, but it’s not ok to
>> hate sysvinit (spaghetti of shell scripts)?
>
> Personally, I'd be happy if people would just stop hating on any free
> software in general. Even buggy free software is someone's effort,
> released into the world hopefully for our benefit. These conversations
> would be so much easier to have if they were framed in terms of costs and
> benefits, different use cases, and personal preferences, rather than
> making supposedly-objective statements grounded in strong personal
> opinions about the merits or worthlessness of some piece of software.
>
> Far, far beyond init systems, I wish we would be less denegrating and
> dismissive even of small pieces of software with obvious problems that
> people propose packaging. We can say that something needs various
> improvements to make sense to include in Debian without hating on it.
> Maybe that sort of positive and thankful attitude would then carry over to
> larger and more controversial pieces of software.
>
> (And yes, I wish upstreams would take that same advice, but I know how to
> preach to this audience and have less ability to preach to other
> audiences, so....)
>
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> Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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