[As requested, keeping it to -devel only] On 12/26/18 7:35 PM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 01:04:44PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> If it has to be completely separate from -backports, it means some packages will need to be maintained twice, even when they meet the criteria for backports fully, just because a package in volatile declare a dependency on them. > > There is nothing that stops you, or whoever wants to maintain this newn > repository from doing it in a way that 1) reuses what's already in > backports, even automatically and 2) adds the bits that are not deemed > appropriate for backports. > The -backports team does not want the dependencies of gitlab to be in -backports even though it meets the criteria for backports. So we will end up adding it to volatile. Now if some one else wants the same in -backports, they will have to repeat the process. Take nodejs or npm for example, which I backported now. In buster the -backports team does not want it in backports if I'm doing it for gitlab, even though they satisfy the requirement for -backports. So we will end up uploading these to volatile, if someone else wants it in -backports, they will have to do it again. It is one way (volatile can use -backports, but -backports can't use volatile). I'm fine with that if people don't want our work for volatile not added to -backports. Dominik, I think we can go ahead with volatile as separate suite and take packages from -backports if exist but add all new dependencies to -volatile. This, "Dependencies on other packages in volatile should be avoided if possible. Especially, dependencies of the package that also need backporting must not be added to volatile just because they are dependencies — every dependency that is needed to be backported to support the volatile package must be considered on its own and in all but unprobable edge cases be maintained as a formal backport. Obviously, the unprobable edge case occurs when the package depends on another package that also fully qualifies for volatile, as described above." should be changed to, "Dependencies of the package that also need backporting must be added to volatile."
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