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Re: Is using experimental distribution for shelter during freeze useful?


On 27-11-18 12:38, Hideki Yamane wrote:
>  Well, we use experimental as "shelter" during freeze, but it's not good
>  in my point of view.
>  - During freeze, it is just ignored by most of the users since they
>    wouldn't know there's a newer package in there (and they also afraid
>    because it's in "experimental" ;). It means "not tested" if they were
>    in Debian repository for a long time period
>  - Re-uploading to unstable is just boring, and no values are added by it
>  - unstable users wants new valued packages constantly. After release,
>    "package flood" to unstable is not good.
>  So, I guess putting fixed packages into "testing-proposed-updates" and
>  to continue to upload packages to unstable during freeze period is better.
>  Pros)
>  - unstable distribution stays newest
>  - No "unintended" changes will be introduced into testing during freeze
>  Cons)
>  - Maybe you should do cherry-picking changes from unstable to
>    testing-proposed-updates, not just ask "unblock" to Release Managers. 
>  - Harder to get users for test with testing-proposed-updates repository
>  Your thoughts?

I am not a member of the release team, but I am involved in recent
changes to some of the tools used for migration from unstable to
testing. Since the previous release, those tools and the QA they rely on
have moved in the opposite direction of what you want and have made the
request stronger to not upload disruptive changes to unstable during the
freeze. Also see the release team's statement on this topic [1]: "It is
usually better to revert the changes in unstable and upload the fix
there.". If you want to make this an option for bullseye (I believe it
is too late to properly implement and test this all now), I propose to
help improve the QA and workflow via testing-proposed-updates, as I have
the impression that the people currently involved in the QA and workflow
(including me) are not interested to work towards your solution themselves.

So to answer your question: yes, using experimental during the freeze
for uploads not intended to be included in the next stable release is


[1] https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html (under "Changes
which can be considered")

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