Re: Future of the Tryton suite in Debian
* Mechtilde: " Re: Future of the Tryton suite in Debian" (Fri, 6 Apr 2018
20:41:14 +0200):
Hello,
> It seems to be a problem to persuade the upstream develover how
> important it is to publish in Linux repositories.
I assume, that you mean distributions by Linux repositories.
Let's say: The priority to be included in a Linux distribution is astonishingly
low compared to the fact, that they use them (and especially Debian in this
case) in one form or the other every day (build images for CI, developer
machines etc.).
Regards,
Mathias
> I discussed very often with them about this topic.
>
> I tried to elaborate their benefits of a release in the Linux
> distributions. Many of them only see their own application and don't
> want to look to the interaction among different applications.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 05.04.2018 um 11:42 schrieb Mathias Behrle:
> > Dear fellow developers,
> >
> > while it is unusual to publish the plans for every and each package I am
> > posting nevertheless this informal message, because there are 100+ packages
> > involved.
> >
> >
> > The short message
> >
> > I don't plan to continue the maintenance of the Tryton suite in my *free*
> > time.
> >
> >
> > The current state
> >
> > - The migration of team and repos to salsa is finished.
> > - An actualized and quite up-to-date version 4.6.x of all
> > packages is uploaded to unstable.
> > - The last bug fix release was uploaded.
> > - I will continue to package the bug fix releases for 4.6, but I won't
> > package the new upcoming version 4.8 under current circumstances.
> >
> >
> > What does this mean?
> >
> > Unless someone steps up to sponsor financially the packaging or takes over
> > the maintenance I will orphan the suite in due time before the release of
> > buster and recommend its removal (version 4.6 will be unsupported at the
> > approximate ETA of the release of buster).
> >
> >
> > The background
> >
> > I am maintaining the suite since now ~8 years, being member of the Tryton
> > project since the very beginning since ~10 years. My primary motivation was
> > to give some important reference to the Tryton project as well as to
> > complete the userland of Debian. I considered this to be a
> > win-win-situation for Tryton as well as for Debian users.
> >
> > The current evaluation of the situation shows unfortunately a different
> > result:
> > - After years of continued discussions and confrontations I have to realize,
> > that the Tryton project still doesn't meet my least expectations of a real
> > community project. Furthermore the work of maintaining Tryton in Debian is
> > quite low valued in Tryton. Constitutional questions and differing
> > opinions are mostly considered annoying. There is a clear tendance to
> > prefer exclusive instead of inclusive behavior (which e.g. recently led due
> > to poor and repudiative communication to the removal of the OpenSUSE
> > packages from the website).
> > - The benefit of Tryton in Debian main is quite limited for our users. To
> > get a sustainable solution it is mostly better to use the backports at
> > debian.tryton.org. Thus the packages in main are indeed a very good base
> > to start the backports from, but they are not really the best alternative
> > for everyday use.
> >
> > Having said this it is now no more appropriate to invest my personal free
> > time into it. I will be glad to continue the work, if some user or company
> > will step up with financial sponsoring.
> >
> >
> > So far in a nutshell,
> > Mathias
>
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