On Fri, 2017-06-30 at 21:22 +1000, Scott Leggett wrote: > If windows is different, it looks to be the outlier because macOS > behaves the same way as Debian[0]: > > > For example, the default umask of 022 results in permissions of 644 > > on new files and 755 on new folders. Groups and other users can read > > the files and traverse the folders, but only the owner can make > > changes. > > [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201684 Windows being an outlier is a recent thing. Earlier versions behaved like the rest of us. Such behaviour originated in a time when computer users were once Uni students themselves. They knew what file permissions were and how to change them, and were smart enough to not be scared of sharing as the default philosophy. Unfortunately for gwmf ms6@openmailbox.org most Debian developers come from that cohort. gwmfms6@openmailbox.org is right in saying today's computer users don't have the "sharing is what makes us bigger than the sum of the parts" philosophy. Where he goes wrong is in assuming they share their computers. While there was a time many people shared a single CPU, today many CPU's share a person. Or less obliquely, everyone has their own phone / tablet / laptop, which they don't share with anyone except US border agents. In this environment umask is a quaint hallmark of a bygone time. The one example he gave of students sharing a University computer is a furphy. It's true it still such sharing still happens. But the person in charge of the machine isn't some naive first year pleb. It's a battle hardened university sysadmin who, god bless his black heart, has faced down 1000's of aspiring university student training in the art he long ago mastered. He knows how to wield a umask with power and precision. He doesn't whinge about pam_umask not being the default, he fixes it and while he's at it alters the shell scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ gets exactly the umask they deserve. TL;DR - this complaint is 20 years too late.
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