Re: "contrib" and "nonfree" distribs
I not compare Debian with Windows. The FSF publishes a GNU/Linux freedom indicator. Debian is proprietary, sorry.
Le 28 févr. 2014 à 18:24, Octavio Alvarez <alvarezp@alvarezp.ods.org> a écrit :
> On 02/28/2014 05:18 AM, Solal Rastier wrote:
>> 1. I'm not a troll
>> 2. What is "top-post"?
>> 3. Why I need stop?
>
> Hi, Solal. I'm not a Debian Developer, just a user, but let me take an
> attempt to explain what happened, and please don't take this the wrong
> way. I'll address each part of the issue without sugar-coating anything.
> Please don't take it the wrong way.
>
> Debian is not "proprietary" or "closed" software. There is a lot of
> effort put by the whole Debian team in making sure licenses are not
> violated while keeping software fully free, always. If you knew Debian
> just a little bit you would know this.
>
> However, you said:
>
>> Further proof that Debian is proprietary software..
>
> Where did that come from? Initially you asked why were not the other
> areas removed, which is a valid question despite having no context at
> all, and suddenly there is an accusation? Are you seriously comparing
> Debian with Windows?
>
> You see, if you want to prove a point you get your facts straight first.
> If you want to get answers you use questions, not accusations or false
> statements.
>
> Just by this alone, you fit the "troll" profile: a person that just
> comes in to raise useless discussion with no beneficial outcome, not
> even for himself, even more if it's accusation-based.
>
> About top-posting: in the message from Thibaut you were given a link
> regarding top-posting. You ignored it (proved by the fact that you are
> now asking what it is instead of having it read). You may have not seen
> it of found it too long, but you didn't even Google for it (you would
> have found at least a Wikipedia article about this with a more friendly
> explanation). You just don't care to do your part of the job.
>
> Now, to your question:
>
> "Packages in the other archive areas (contrib, non-free) are not
> considered to be part of the Debian distribution..." [1]. First match in
> Google for "debian main contrib non-free".
>
> "... we also provide packages in separate sections that cannot be
> included in the main distribution due to either a restrictive license or
> legal issues. They include: [explanation continues]..." [2]. Second
> match in the same Google search.
>
> [1] https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html
> [2] https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
>
> This should *at least* make it clear that contrib *is* open and free,
> what the sections are, and what they are for. Imagine a program that is
> GPL but includes images that are redistributable but not modifiable, the
> images go into non-free. There is not a license violation and it doesn't
> make the program proprietary, much less the whole Debian.
>
> Now, my question to you is: how does the non-free and contrib areas make
> the whole project proprietary, considering that those are not even part
> of the Debian project? And how does that "prove" --using your words-- it?
>
> Finally, you just replied with:
>
>> That's not an answer. For users, that doesn't change anything.
>
> Again, trolling. Now you are *demanding* a good answer despite not
> asking a good question. We are not mind readers. You should *really*
> look for and read and take the time to ask. Explain what your doubt is
> and provide the relevant context to your question. You'll get a reply as
> useful as your question. A vague question will give you a vague answer
> at best. An accusive question will get you an accusive answer at best.
>
> (Personally, I didn't even understand your reply: if "that" is not an
> answer, and you were already given other answers, that *what* is an
> answer for you? For *what* users, that doesn't change anything? *What*
> do users want to have changed? I only perceive a defense for
> who-knows-what in your reply.)
>
> Anyway, my two cents. All help and questions are welcome, but some are
> useful than others. Just don't get defensive and do your part of the
> job. Remember that people are volunteers and they work on Debian mostly
> on their free time.
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