Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.
On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:04:53 +0100
Adrien CLERC <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> >>> And SysVInit just works well and it is simply enough. It has much less dependencies than systemd. Do not make unneeded weight on people to learn systemd in addition to shell scripts, if systemd is powerful that also means there is a lot to learn. I really doubt non-standards task can be solved with systemd without shell scripts (or similar), and every serious UNIX admin must know shell programming anyway.
> >> This is like saying "A horse drawn carrage works well enough, why do you
> >> need an airplane".
> > You need an airplane because Earth is 40,000 km in round and because you have a reason to travel to a distant location. Or just you want to do some sport? But I know my possibilities and I wouldn't spend my money on an airplane just for sport, to produce an airplane you have to take raw materials out of this planet, you have to spend power, human time, make pollution, etc.
> That's exactly how I feel when I want to create a small daemon using a
> SystemV init script. I feel like building an airplane from scratch while
> I would just use a bike.
Use /etc/init.d/skeleton and you'll see it's very simple.
> Introducing the concept of "possibilities" is interesting: sometimes,
> you need some choices in your available tools to perform the same task,
> depending on your current need…
Shell is a programming language. It cannot be less flexible then config
files. But there is also an interesting point. We are currently not
using BASH features for init scripts. As I remember, BASH was bloated
or smt, but certainly less than systemd is.