Re: Debian systemd survey
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 09:41 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:45:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
> > systemd unit file, to the time it takes to proprely test it, I don’t
> > think this argument makes any sense.
>
> Please leave the FUD at the door. Writing upstart jobs is not difficult;
> while there are some gotchas currently with process lifecycle (which will be
> fixed soon), there is also very complete documentation (for these issues,
> and generally).
In which way do you disagree with what I wrote, exactly? Maybe my
English was wrong, so let me explain it in simple words.
Time to write an upstart job = short
Time to write a systemd unit file = short
Time to test an upstart job = long
Time to test a systemd unit file = long
Therefore:
How much we should care of existing upstart jobs = little
How much we should care of existing systemd unit files = little
> > If the only things we do for improving the distribution are to take stuff
> > from Ubuntu because, well, it’s here, we might as well stop developing
> > anything at all.
>
> Sure; obviously the right thing to do is to instead take stuff from GNOME
> and freedesktop.org without regard to integration with our existing system,
> because if Lennart says it's right it must be so.
Yes of course, because Debian is well-known for using fd.o and GNOME
software as is, without patching it ever, and adopting new technologies
blindly and very quickly, before they are well tested.
Have it ever occurred to you that people might want to see systemd as
default, not because Lennart said it, but because they think it is
better than any alternative? Better than upstart *in the way it
integrates with our existing system*, BTW.
I understand it will be a pain for Ubuntu if Debian picks a different
init system. I don’t think this is relevant for the discussion, though.
Cheers,
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