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Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote:
>>> Control: severity -1 important
>>> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes
>>> unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break"
>>> No, it does not.  hw will shut itself off before getting damaged.
>> Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay
>> for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage?
> Oh please.
> I've never seen a laptop that will not cause a poweroff in hardware if
> the operating system isn't doing its job.
I agree laptops usually power down by themselves (my old X60 did that
many times even with lid open)  - it is just not something that we
should fall back on to downgrade a bug severity

> This is also not a critical issue. If gnome-power-manager were to go
> berserk and do the equivalent of "rm -rf /", or "kill -9" on all
> processes on the system, or something similar, that would be a critical
> bug in the "makes the whole system break" sense. As it is,
> gnome-power-manager just *doesn't* do something it's supposed to do.
> It's not even close to being critical in that sense.
The severity guidelines don't say whether the definition of `system'
includes hardware.

A broad definition of system could include the backpack carrying the
laptop, and the bottle of wine that heats up because it is in there with
the laptop.

Some organisations have multiple metrics for each bug, e.g. an impact
metric to measure how many users suffer.  Non-technical users are likely
to suffer and have a bad impression of Debian when their laptop heats up
in their backpack.

> I agree that it's probably a problem, and that it'd be good if we were
> to fix it before the release; but anything above "important" strikes me
> as unnecessary severity inflation.
> (on a more personal note, why oh why would you ever want the system to
> suspend when you close the lid? That's what a suspend button is for. If
> my laptop is compiling something, I do *not* want it to suspend when I
> close the lid, thankyouverymuch. Oh well)
a) many users expect that - I'm thinking about it from the perspective
of people who don't compile things and aren't actively involved in this list

b) it is the Gnome way apparently:


and these are more specific:



In wheezy, the power control panel does not give the user the option to
change this behavior and the user must use gsettings to request anything
other than suspend when lid closes.

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