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Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

On 03/28/2013 12:33 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Think about it another way - if you put Debian on a friend's laptop and
they suffer with this issue, would you be quoting that clause in the
license for them?

I would. Software is made by humans, it's never perfect after all and you should always expect things to break and have a backup. If you are so delusional that you think you can trust your computer your data 100%, then you haven't had used computers long enough.

I have worked in IT support when I was a student, we always told people to never trust their important data their laptops but use the SAN instead.

This problem happens regularly enough that Debian should not be promoted
for laptops if it is not taken seriously as an RC issue.  Users will get
a very bad impression if basic things like this aren't working in a
stable release.
I have heard of that problem for the very first time now and I have
been using Debian on a laptop since around 2004, on various machines
like the Thinkpad 240X, X40, T42, T60, T23.
There are a long list of issues, many just under the RC threshold,
against the gnome-power-manager package:


Again, haven't seen such issues for ages.

I have experienced suspend problems on X61s, X201 and X220 with squeeze
and wheezy regularily. Most of the times it was hald that needed to be
restarted which is now done regularily upon wakeup on my notebooks.

Can you make any suggestion how we can make this more stable for
non-technical users of wheezy?

Well, it would be interesting to know what hardware models are affected. Power management issues often arise due to shitty hardware or faulty ACPI tables or bad drivers.

But I also think that these issues should rather be addressed upstream.


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